craigb
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How are you doing your backups?
I bought a 3TB WD "My Book" external hard drive that's made for USB 3 so I also bought a Rocketfish USB 3 card with two ports (which works great with my new Samsung Galaxy Note 3 smartphone which also uses USB 3). However, my Acronis boot CD doesn't seem able to read the My Book (and therefore can't backup directly to it unless Windows 7 is running - then it sees the drive correctly - weird). So... I backed up a drive with about 500 GB used to another online drive and am now copying the backup file to the external hard drive - but the copy screen is estimating 13(!) hours to do this (averaging about 34+MB per second). Since I've got two other drives that are larger (including one that's about 1.8 TB) none of this is looking realistic for weekly backups done during the night! I'm going to try to backup another non-OS disk directly to the external (since Acronis seems to see the My Book when I'm in Windows 7), but I'll have to do the same two-step process for the OS disk... This all seems ridiculously slow to me. I thought things should now blaze with USB 3.0 - not sure why it seems like it's dragging. How are the rest of you doing your backups?
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 05:11:15
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I did a backup a couple of days ago. It took about 3 hours to completely copy my projects drive & burn a system image using Acronis. I'd say that was about 500Gb in total. Roughly. Maybe a bit more. This was using WD My book externals under USB 2
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 06:37:55
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I'm now using Macrium Reflect and it backs up faster than Acronis did. I don't have any hard figures but what would take Acronis about 20 minutes or so to do a hard drive back up from an SSD with about 80GB of data to an external USB 2.0 hard drive, takes about 15 minutes with Macrium. I have an external USB 3.0 drive and USB 3.0 port on my new PC, but I don't see any substatial faster disk I/O than I do with a USB 2.0 drive and USB 2.0 port.
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craigb
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 09:31:23
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Yeah... By my calculations I was getting about "average" USB 2 speeds and the time recalculated to about 4.5 hours right before I turned off the screen and went to bed for a few hours. But still, this speed is pretty much unusable! I've got about 170 GB on my OS drive, 544 GB on one partition (documents and client files) then my music on a third hard drive (510 GB) and a second partition (1.7 TB). So, almost 3 TB of data used (out of 5.5 TB total over the three physical drives). At 34 MB/S it would take over 24 hours just to straight copy the backup files! No idea how long if I had to copy individual files, create the backup files directly to the My Book or create individual backup files prior to copying. USB 2 caps at 60 MB/S (480 Mbps), but USB 3 should be ten times faster (and USB 3.1 should be twenty times faster). If that 24 hours went down to 2.4, then this all becomes viable. I guess I'll have to call and try to figure out why I'm not seeing those speeds.
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 09:36:00
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I use carbonite to start with (has already saved my butt once and my wifes once) then I manually copy paste to a NAS drive that's me personally here at ADK we have a server that backs up nightly to a 2nd set of raid 6 drives then it backs up to a NAS Raid 6 weekly (using Paragon) then I have an ext drive that's supposed to be a copy of the NAS and taken off site I forget to swap the one from home with the one here far to frequently. bare in mind the back ups are only as good as the data being backed up. we had a corrupted database and multiple copies of it.. back ups were working.. we had to rebuild it.. not pretty
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craigb
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 09:57:21
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Hmm... Interesting thought Scott! I just happen to be physically connected to my "wireless" network router. I wonder what speeds I could get by using the external as a NAS. May have to try that today. I used to use Carbonite but it took me WEEKS to get everything uploaded to their servers and, after at least two years, I finally gave up on it. While it was great at immediately backing up a file right after you edited it, I had some issues with it. Back then I was doing some programming for a client that was using versioning so I had Turtle SVN and, I believe, an Autodesk product along with Carbonite and they all wanted to put overlays on file icons - that was a minor problem. The main issue I had was the files they kept HAD to match what was on my hard drives. I couldn't use them for archival storage to free up space and, should I accidentally delete a file and not notice it in time, it was removed from their servers as well making it unavailable for restore once I realized the file was missing. If only I could get the USB speeds to get closer to what's possible, then I don't have a problem getting additional harddrives and a USB 3 toaster.
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 18:36:52
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I've gone back to hard copies for the main C: partition, I've made 2 complete backups since I upgraded, both on single layer Blu-Ray recordable disks One bootable with the new Acronis demo that took about four hours. One with the free version of paragon that only took just under one hour. Both backups took three disks. Acronis use to be my favorite backup program in the early P4 days when there wasn't a lot of choices. I'm pretty disappointed in the demo, they have become what we use to hate about Symantec ghost. Way to many resource hungry process to keep it installed. It actually had a noticeable loss in performance which was verified by a few benchmarks and a .1 reduction in the Win experience index fro HD transfer rate. So far I'm really impressed with the free version of paragon. I'm also very impressed with backing up to Blu-Ray and consider it the current best way to back up massive amounts of data quickly. For projects, media files and programs, being an old computer tech, I have a lot of old IDE drives laying around. I picked up one of these from ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-to-IDE-SATA-S-ATA-2-5-3-5-HD-HDD-Adapter-Cable-/180550148600?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item2a09a0a1f8and use those.
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craigb
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 21:40:06
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I've submitted an inquiry to Rocketfish, but I did find someone else posting about the same exact problem and the suggestion there was to reinstall the card and make sure the power was really making it to the card. Since I happened upon a really nice power splitter today with the required, rarely used anymore, connector, I might try this. The power connector that's on there now (the ONLY one I could find in dozens of saved cables) seemed a bit flakey so maybe that's the issue - I'll know sometime tomorrow when I can reopen the box.
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 23:09:36
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I use an external USB2 drive. Backups take about 5 seconds or less for ongoing projects, because I use a batch file and xcopy /d to only copy changed files, and back up each project after I work on them.
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craigb
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/19 23:22:31
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That might be an option for my music files. I have a utility called Allway Sync that I use to see what's different between two directories (and to sync them up as needed).
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/20 06:28:54
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I only ever backup my Samples drive when I add a new library. Current projects worked on can easily be dragged & dropped in a matter of minutes And I burn a system image once a week. All this gets rotated to 2 different External HDD's
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/22 10:02:53
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Anybody use the Microsoft backup that comes with Windows? Is anyone using Windows 8 and tried it? WSS
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/22 15:40:41
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I haven't used Microsoft Backup in a loooong time, it was quite slow when they introduced it in Vista. I'm using Gobbler to backup Sonar work-in-progress - it's nice to know you can get back to a reasonable point if you're you've gone completely overboard with a project and decide to toss it all. For regular PC backups, I use Retrospect configured to backup the all the PC's in the house to a USB drive. I'm able to restore an entire hard drive to any point in time. I'm partial to Retrospect, because it performs incremental-differential backups and doesn't take over your PC the way Acronis seems to.
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/23 09:44:36
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With Retrospect you can swap out a hard drive and clone the new one? WSS
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/28 00:33:58
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HI Friend, Its could be take some time,, because as per you , the copying time is around 13 hours means you have huge amount of data to be copying.So, you have to wait my friend as per me.
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kristoffer
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/28 05:11:12
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I'm using Windows Home Server (2011) and it backs up the DAW once a day. dont take much time, as it only is backing up the changes of the disks (I think)
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/28 21:58:20
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All my computers have a built in data drive where 98% of our files are stored. Pictures, PDF and documents. My DAW is set up the same way. All Projects/ Audio is in the E drive. I back up before I shut down with a SAVE AS to the F drive. For all my computers ( 5) At least once a month I back everything up to a external drive with plain old drag and drop. All computers C drives are also partitioned and things like movies and music go there as they are easily restored from other external drives. ( I have a few) So my method while not very sophisticated still has everything in multiples. A new thing for the last year is I save all my work documents and files to Drop Box. I love the way I can use any of my 3 computers and there they all are updated and quickly accessible. Once a month I pull the SD cards from our 2 cameras and dump them into at least 3 computers. Then they are also backed up to the external. I also will dump them to my son and daughters computers and they do the same with us. We never erase the cards now. We pull them once a year and put them away. Cards cost less than a roll of 20 film used to, so why re use them? Now I have to add the damn phones to this routine. I have a collection of C and E drives from every computer I ever owned since 2000. I used to upgrade every year as drives were growing quickly back then, First drive was 10 GB as example. Last couple are 250GB. Anyhow there is at least 15 of them including old DAWs.
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Re: How are you doing your backups?
2013/11/29 22:40:44
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I clone each drive using Macrium Reflect then use Synctoy to update the data drives. Have small system drive, cakewalk drive and everything else data drive. About every week I clone the system drive again. John
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