How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note?

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How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note?

Hi, I would like to steadily and smoothly increase the pitch of a midi note across 3 or 4 octaves over time. How can I do that? Is it possible to draw in the increase in pitch similar to Velocity?

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    BbAltered
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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 14:08:46 (permalink)
    The midi specifications require discreet notes.   It is possible to go into Sonar/CbB piano roll view and draw multiple notes of short duration rising up the chromatic scale across whatever range pleases you.  However, on playback, what you get is a rising pitch that rises in stepped fashion from note to note.
     
    To get a rising pitch that rises smoothly between notes, you will need to go into your keyboard or sound module and increase the pitch bend amount.  Then go into Sonar/CbB Piano Roll view, draw one note with a very long duration, and under that note, draw a pitch wheel curve from the lowest to the highest possible amount.  On playback what you hear is a single note steadily rising pitch without stepping.  However, the range you can get this way is limited to the amount of pitch bend available in your keyboard or sound module.
     
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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 14:43:49 (permalink)
    You can change the range of your synth's pitch wheel to do that.
     Pitch wheels are typically set to a default range at 3 half steps. You will need to increase the range by 12 steps per octave.
    24 steps for a 2 octave range

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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 15:33:12 (permalink)
    There’s another way to do this besides using the pitch bend wheel - which is useful if the synth limits pitch bend to less than you need.

    The synth you use however must have either its oscillators fully tunable throughout their entire range from a single tuning control, not a synth with oscillators which can only be set in octaves or “feet” and adjustable only by a fine-tuning control across a single octave, or a self-resonant filter.

    The way to get the frequency shift is to start with a MIDI note then automate the oscillator frequency control. Or if that isn’t possible but the filter self-resonates use the resonating filter to produce a sound then automate the filter frequency. You might still get some “stepping” if the synth locks everything to 128 MIDI values but this method tends to minimise that.

    Yet another way is to use a synth’s glide function. Set the glide rate between notes to give you the length of note you require then play the start note, hold it and then play the final note where you want the pitch shift to end. Obviously this limits how long the pitch glide can be to the maximum allowed by the synth.

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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 16:13:20 (permalink)
    Great answers thanks guys! I was hoping for an easy answer to this but seems like the midi spec is the obstacle to simply drawing a varying pitch table. I'll take a look at the various options you have all suggested and give them a try. Thanks!
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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 16:45:30 (permalink)
    In Nexus I can change the range of the pitch wheel to between -48 and +48 so all I need to do now is figure out how to automate the pitch wheel! Thanks for your advice.
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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 17:10:35 (permalink)
    There's also an audio solution if you just want the appearance of a continually rising tone - a Shepard function (barberpole) generator. I did a Friday Tip on how to do this in Studio One, but you can also do this with Sonar. If you go to the end of the tip, you can download a loop and hear the effect. It's pretty wild, and has been used in several movies as well as dance mixes.

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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 18:20:12 (permalink)
    Because it mostly depends on the synth supporting the pitch wheel (and or another way) you might be better off using a audio process to adjust the pitch.  Wave's SoundShifter is pretty decent for this.  Drive it with automation curves.

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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 19:44:11 (permalink)
    Depending on the synth, you could also use portamento...... Continuous Controller 5 sets the time, Continuous Controller 65 switches it off and on. 

    What synth are you using?  Some have a pitch envelope.

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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/01 20:43:54 (permalink)
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    Hi, I would like to steadily and smoothly increase the pitch of a midi note across 3 or 4 octaves over time. How can I do that? Is it possible to draw in the increase in pitch similar to Velocity?

     
    I would use the Pitch Envelope in Rapture. It has a range of 8 octaves.

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    Re: How can I gradually Increase the pitch of a Midi note? 2018/12/02 04:11:32 (permalink)
    With Z3TA+2 the portamento would be the choice. You can directly access portamento duration, and you can really glide from one note to another - if the note durations are smaller than the portamento duration, you can get sounds that seem to be arbitrary, almost like speech heard from a neighboring room through a cardboard "wall" with all the consonants being completely cut off (depending on the waveform you choose). And of course, the portamento duration can be automatized from very short to quite long. Nice toy. Play around with it to get the impression.
     
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