How can I record Audio AND Vision from my Sonar X1?

 
I have Sonar X1 Studio (X1c build 319) – X 64 and an Edirol UA-4FX interface (no longer made) which rest within my Acer Aspire (All in one PC) Z 5610 with a Realtek HD Audio sound card. OS is Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition.
 
The interface acts as an Audio / Midi input and output. When I playback my work from Sonar it goes through the interface and I listen through headphone connected to the interface. I have never been able to get Sonar to recognise the PC’s sound card and playback through my PC’s speakers.
 
I am an amateur, hobbyist messing around with Sonar for nearly 3 years. Sometimes it drives me mad but I have got to the stage where I can produce simple compositions, and use software synthesisers.
 
Users of this Forum will realise that using the staff view on Sonar will display the musical notation of the track viewed. It will also allow me to put lyrics and chords onto the manuscript. When the track is played the time line will follow the notation, lyrics and chords (much like the bouncing ball concept) making it easy to play along with on a guitar (or any other instrument).
 
What I have been trying to do is record the staff view to produce a video of the music notation and lyrics of various songs for demonstration purposes.
 
I have tried two Screen Capture programs, being: (1) Microsoft Windows Expression Encoder 4 Capture and (2) BB Express FlahBack Recorder. Both of these captured the video in vision but with no sound.
 
I suspect the reason for this is related to me using an ASIO driver with the interface. Perhaps the Realtek sound card does not respond to ASIO. (To be truthful I don’t fully understand the concept but I’m sure there must be someone out there who can help).
 
Perhaps someone who uses Sonar X1 has tried to do what I am doing and has been successful.
Perhaps someone who has a similar set up to me could try it on their system and see if it works.
 
Can anyone help please?
Alan 

Hi Cj
 
Look at it like this - You know that you can take screen prints from your PC.  
 
You know that the staff view enables you to see a moving screen displaying the notation, lyrics and chords.
 
Microsoft Windows Expression Encoder 4 Capture and BB Express FlashBack Recorder are programs that capture a moving screen shot. The resultant capture can then be converted to a video.  These "capture" programs work on moving images and sounds when the sounds are through the PC speakers but do not appear to capture the sound when it is through an interface.
 
I don't suggest that Sonar is a video recorder. Sonar is producing the images and the sound.  Why will the Capture programs only capture the images and not the sound when the sound is through an ASIO interface? Is there a way to remedy this? That is what I need to know.
 
I hope this makes my problem clearer.
 
Alan  

So, why wouldn't you record the video using one of those programs and then render your audio to a file and use VIDEO editor software to sync them up. I know that iMOVIE can do this as well as Photoshop Elelments.  I can only imagine that there are many software programs to put audio together with Video...... wait a minute, can't SONAR already do that?
 
Jim

dlion16i did this years ago, by using a patch cord to loop the output back into the audio device...

There's your answer, Alan - I was ready to offer the same info if someone else didn't post it.
 
You've gotten good feedback on this thread - You don't want to use both your interface and your computer's sound card.  No need to struggle trying to get Sonar to play through your sound card - You've chosen the external interface for audio, as you should.  If you patch cords from your interface's out into the ins of an amplifier, then you'll get sound on your speakers and won't be limited to only headphones.
 
To use a video capture program for recording what you're doing in Sonar, just as dlion16 said, you need to loop the output back into the ins of the audio device - The cords mentioned in paragraph 2 above are temporarily taken out, put another pair going from the interface outs back into the ins.  WATCH OUT - you'll need to start with low levels, experimenting with how high your level can be before you get feedback.
 
Doing that will let you record audio as you do a screen capture of the Staff View, or any view you want in Sonar.
 
As noted, Sonar's not a video editing program, but you Can do video captures with sound, like you've undoubtedly seen in video tutorials.  That's how they do it.  - Post-recording a sound track works too, but it's a lot more hassle.
 
Randy B.

57GregyI've used Cam Studio, and it has options to record from either the sound device or from a microphone

Sure, it can accept any audio input you set up - But on a computer set up for music production, why would a microphone be plugged in anywhere but the audio interface-?
 
Randy B.

rbowser

57GregyI've used Cam Studio, and it has options to record from either the sound device or from a microphone

Sure, it can accept any audio input you set up - But on a computer set up for music production, why would a microphone be plugged in anywhere but the audio interface-?
 
Randy B.

I think that we can only choose one input signal inside Cam Studio.  You can screencapture and record the sounds coming from Sonar but if you want to make a voiceover, it's not possible, you have to choose one or the other.  I had this problem last year when I had to make a video tutorial for Coursera.

rbowser

Atsuko...I think that we can only choose one input signal inside Cam Studio.  You can screencapture and record the sounds coming from Sonar but if you want to make a voiceover, it's not possible, you have to choose one or the other...

I have the computer's sound card turned off as a sound source, so my audio interface is the only choice.  In the past when I had need of recording both voice over and music in Sonar, I just had the mike plugged into my interface as usual, and used the interface's controls to have a balance between the two.
 
RB

It's what I expected to do with Cam Studio but the program is very limited concerning inputs and outputs.  But, for a free program, it's ok.

rbowser

AtsukoIt's what I expected to do with Cam Studio but the program is very limited concerning inputs and outputs.  But, for a free program, it's ok.

Hmm - I don't get it.  You choose your interface as the input - that's just one input - But with both the music and mike being mixed in the interface with its controls, why isn't that the audio you're getting into Cam Studio-?
 
RB

Let's say you have various inputs in your interface, Cam Studio will only show one (we don't choose the interface, but the input).  Note that if you're using a mic in one input, you don't want it to go to Sonar because you're doing a voiceover explaining how to do an automation, for example. Then, you hear the sound of Sonar but not the sound of your voice. I don't know if they changed it in the new version but surely it's a problem with a lot of screencapture softwares, mostly, the free ones.  I've heard that Cantanya is one of the best softwares to make tutorials because of the routing possibilities.

But as the  OP said his real problem is his audio interface does not show as an audio input option inside the capture program. This seems to be the issue. One other thing that might cause this is his on board sound card is still the default in Windows. Might work to totaly disable the Real tech and see if the capture program recognises the Edirol.
 
If the only audio device it will use is the real tech it's no big deal to tell Sonar to use it in MME mode and switch back.
Only issue could then be if the projects Clock rate is not available to the Real Tech.
Which is another thought.. Might be the projects at 48 Hz and the capture program can only use 44.1.

camtasia ($300) is the best i've used. there may be a "grey" version as well.

Another update, after a little studying of my UA-4FX manual.
 
I have tried recording the screen video and audio without the patch cord but with the “loop back setting” in its recording source, and it works though I still have the beeping noise every time the playback hits a whole note (4 beats) and quite often when it hits a dotted half note (3 beats). Thus I do not need a patch cord so ignore my comment at 2 above concerning cables.
 
Perhaps the "beeping" has something to do with the latency. I've been trying different levels to set in my UA-4FX but to date nothing is removing the beeps at the long notes.
 
Does anybody have any suggestions please?
 
Alan 
 

I have found this to be very good with abilities to save/export many formats.
http://www.movavi.com/screen-capture/  bout $50.
You can select any window for video, and audio is whatever you hear on your speakers.
No extra cables, etc.
Excellent video Resolution. Excellent audio capture.  Also a trial period for the software.
The video editor not top of the line, but capture very good.
 
Within the last few months due to better Video editing needs upgrade my Pinnacle Studio to
Pinnacle Studio 17 Ultimate.  It has 1920 x 1080 capture, doing great job.  After the fact
found out that you must have physical audio inputs to capture the audio.
Hence next paragraph...
 
On another thread in this forum VAS was mentioned...Virtual Audio Streaming.  was $29 bucks.
It is an outstanding little piece of software.  Has abilities to redirect 4 virtual cables
within my Win 7 system.  I only use one stereo. does good job.  Have used it several times
with excellent results.  Also a free trial period.
http://www.virtualaudiostream.com/
FWIW, the last few YT video's using visualizations used the Studio with VAS.
Prior ones were Movavi pieces.

Fb.seeker and  57 Greg, thanks for last  2 replies. I am away on holiday at the moment so I'm unable to access my pc to check this out on my X1. When I get back home I'll let you know how I get on. Alan