How can I troubleshoot, what Im probably doing wrong if, I put an effect in the bin, and..

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2012/07/03 20:01:25 (permalink)

How can I troubleshoot, what Im probably doing wrong if, I put an effect in the bin, and..

Hey...

Sometimes I will load a vst effect, into the track fx bin, and even though the vst is on, and there is no apparrent reason for this to happen..   the signal is bypassing the fx...

I need to know what I should be looking for.   I notice it happens with tracks that are in folders.  Maybe it has something to do with the synth being frozen?  and it seems to happen with tracks I route to buses...

I'm quite sure this isn't a bug, but something I must be doing wrong..  how do I troubleshoot, what should I look for?

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    Re:How can I troubleshoot, what Im probably doing wrong if, I put an effect in the bin, an 2012/07/03 22:31:55 (permalink)
    well, I think there is a 'global' fx bypass button on the control bar, and it may apply independently to tracks, folders,  busses, etc - meaning you might have more than one place to check if it is on. There is a keyboard shortcut for it too, but I don't remember. Anyway you could have either inadvertently hit the hotkey or the button. But this would quiet all the effects in the bin, not just a single one I think. Might also look and see if it has been clicked on a containing or related track  bus or folder - probably not how it is supposed to work, but given your comments about folders it could be a sort-of bug like that.

    If not, can you clarify if it is a synth or an audio effect? Your post hints at both, maybe. 

    sorry if all my advice is vague, I remember how things work in general a lot better than the details of working anything, which helps when figuring out how to troubleshoot, but always leaves me needing the manual, or the Garrigus book (which I kinda prefer but still have not found after my recent whisky fueled renovations), or the goodwill of people here to actually fix anything...


    Edit: by 'global', I don't mean that it bypassess all fx in all bins on all tracks, just the ones on the current track, bus or whatever is in focus.

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    Re:How can I troubleshoot, what Im probably doing wrong if, I put an effect in the bin, an 2012/07/03 23:47:19 (permalink)
    Thanks Michael Five,

    Ok...   quick edit..  Yep, your suggestions totally pointed me in the right direction.  I was totally able to find the solution, after reading your reply...



    " the Cakewalk Help file "


             When selected (default behavior), the track effects bin is rendered into the frozen clip, Freeze Tail Duration is applied, and the track effects bin is bypassed. If the Track FX option is not selected, the track effects bin is not rendered into the frozen clip, which is useful when freezing AudioSnap clips in order to conserve CPU resources.

    Tip: You can right-click any track’s Freeze button in the Track view to open the Freeze Options dialog box.



    Thanks..   Hey do you know a solution for the question below?

      if I have frozen the synth, and then decided to delete the synth...  is there anyway to unfreeze the track, but keep the audio created by freezing?

    post edited by Linear Phase - 2012/07/04 00:04:15

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    Re:How can I troubleshoot, what Im probably doing wrong if, I put an effect in the bin, an 2012/07/04 01:44:55 (permalink)
    that one I do a lot, whether the right way or not I dunno, but at some point eventually all my synths go away and I just keep the audio to mix. Much cleaner that way for me, without the midi tracks and synths and stuff lurking around the workspace.

    What I do is save my project, then bounce the audio to another (new) track, then delete the whole synth setup.  I usually don't put fx on the audio til then, myself, but I am a dinosaur that started back at Sonar 1 when the available computer power wasn't really sufficient to realize the full potential of a DAW program.  So I have this old habit of worrying about resources a lot and doing stuff that I really probably don't have to anymore.  But I seem to have less trouble than a lot of folks using Sonar, and that may have something to with it - the equation is always about as simple as I can make it at any given point in my workflow, with the side effect of lots of saved copies of my project under different names so I can restore things if need be.   Sonar can do versioning now, but I have yet to learn how....

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    Re:How can I troubleshoot, what Im probably doing wrong if, I put an effect in the bin, an 2012/07/04 02:05:53 (permalink)
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    that one I do a lot, whether the right way or not I dunno, but at some point eventually all my synths go away and I just keep the audio to mix. Much cleaner that way for me, without the midi tracks and synths and stuff lurking around the workspace.

    What I do is save my project, then bounce the audio to another (new) track, then delete the whole synth setup.  I usually don't put fx on the audio til then, myself, but I am a dinosaur that started back at Sonar 1 when the available computer power wasn't really sufficient to realize the full potential of a DAW program.  So I have this old habit of worrying about resources a lot and doing stuff that I really probably don't have to anymore.  But I seem to have less trouble than a lot of folks using Sonar, and that may have something to with it - the equation is always about as simple as I can make it at any given point in my workflow, with the side effect of lots of saved copies of my project under different names so I can restore things if need be.   Sonar can do versioning now, but I have yet to learn how....

    I think I've picked up bad production habit, by starting with fx too early anyways.  I'll totally give this a shot.  It makes good sense, and will probably give me a better perspective into getting the actual music worked out, rather than, "dropping reverb," on the first thing I hear.

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    Re:How can I troubleshoot, what Im probably doing wrong if, I put an effect in the bin, an 2012/07/04 05:50:44 (permalink)
    Don't confuse freezing tracks with freezing synths.

    These are 2 different actions with 2 very different outcomes.

    If you freeze a track, all the Fx will be printed & the Fx bin will be disabled.

    If you freeze the synth, none of your Fx are printed & the Fx bin remains live
    If you freeze the synth you can, if you wish, delete it from the synth rack but with modern computers I struggle to see how this would benefit anyone.

    Freezing it is enough to remove it from memory, so what's the point?

    Also, a quick unfreeze will put you back in Midi-land if you want to edit anything, refreeze & you're back in audio.

    All of this has no effect on the Fx bin (or Pro Channel)

    Freezing tracks totally limits you from that point onward, unless you go though the hoops of dragging it down to another unfrozen track with a duplicated Fx chain.

    Who wants to do that?

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    Re:How can I troubleshoot, what Im probably doing wrong if, I put an effect in the bin, an 2012/07/04 07:14:10 (permalink)
    Linear Phase

    if I have frozen the synth, and then decided to delete the synth...  is there anyway to unfreeze the track, but keep the audio created by freezing? 

    I do the following; Freeze the synth. That gives you a stereo audio clip on the Instrument track. With the Smart Tool activated, I simply hold down shift + control while dragging the synth audio clip down to the end of my track list. This creates a new Audio Track and it is not linked to the synths Instrument track. You can unfreeze the frozen synth, which restores the MIDI notes and deletes the audio clip. You still have a copy of the audio clip down below.


    I then don't bother deleting tracks as such, even if they have done their job and it is unlikely that I will want to tweak anything. I, instead, bring up Track Manager, by pressing the H key, and I hide unwanted tracks from there.


    Personally, I think that my way is a bit simpler, and I don't have to bounce clips around. Not that bouncing is a long winded task as such, I just think that dragging and dropping is quicker. And using Track Manager to tidy up my views means that I can keep everything in the same project.


    That's just me though... each to their own, as the saying goes ;^)

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