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How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
I have been recording some takes with Peavey Revalver III.V. It can either output as mono or stereo to a single track. What is the best way to pan the stereo signal L/R in SONAR to add some spread? Is it possible to route the L/R outputs to mono tracks and then pan them individually? Perhaps more convenient would be to send each side to its own bus with its own panning, that wouldn't clutter the track lanes. Any ideas?
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/02 16:23:54
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I don't know how Revalver handles this but I usually use a mono track, make my settings and then clone it, adding a little delay with the channel tools plug to one of them, and then panning each individually. Assuming you're going for the classic "big stereo guitars" idea.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/02 16:33:12
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Sanderxpander I don't know how Revalver handles this but I usually use a mono track, make my settings and then clone it, adding a little delay with the channel tools plug to one of them, and then panning each individually. Assuming you're going for the classic "big stereo guitars" idea.
Are you talking about cloning the recorded guitar signal after it has been recorded? I am looking for a method that does not involve creating copoes of takes and that works in real time.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/02 16:54:28
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I'm talking about making your settings on the track and then cloning the track, whether or not it's a recording or a live track doesn't really make a difference.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/02 17:02:37
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I've done exactly this using the Sonitus Delay plug-in with only a few ms delay for wideness and no repetitions, panning the original mono signal say left and the delay hard right! Or why not use Voxengo's free Sound Delay as this has a Sample Delay feature where you can specify an exact delay by samples? See here: http://www.voxengo.com/product/sounddelay/ I've used both methods and they work really well! Oh, one more thing - to be able to pan the delay, you'll need to ensure the recorded track is switched to stereo or the delay won't hard pan.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/02 17:19:43
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Yes you can record a stereo input into different tracks in SONAR. You may need a splitter for your cable or 2 microhones, and an interface that can handle 2 or more inputs, which I belive the Fireface can do. And you can record a mono source onto multiple tracks, too.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/02 17:55:36
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RickJP909 I've done exactly this using the Sonitus Delay plug-in with only a few ms delay for wideness and no repetitions, panning the original mono signal say left and the delay hard right! Or why not use Voxengo's free Sound Delay as this has a Sample Delay feature where you can specify an exact delay by samples? See here: http://www.voxengo.com/product/sounddelay/ I've used both methods and they work really well! Oh, one more thing - to be able to pan the delay, you'll need to ensure the recorded track is switched to stereo or the delay won't hard pan.
You can already do this with the "channel tools" plug that comes with any version of Sonar.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/02 18:19:12
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If something like this can generate stereo outputs and hence record to stereo tracks I would go that way for sure. Recording everything to mono and cloning that track and delaying it is not necessarily the way to. (typical guitarist approach to synthesisers too. Remove all the wonderful internal stereo width by creating a mono track and cloning it for delay purposes. NOOOO.) If anything generates stereo then I say listen to it and see how it sounds. Record it! There are plenty of things inside Revalver that will set up a stereo image. Dual delays, reverb, chorus etc.. If these effects are not worth recording then go for mono for sure and process later but on the other hand try creating the stereo width yourself within Revalver and record it that way too. Sometimes it is better to use the internal effects processing, that is why it is there. The internal effects will also sound a little different to your DAW effects and will go a bit towards separating the guitar sound in a mix a little better too. Some plugins such as Headcase by ACMR BarGig has dual amps and cabinets and mic setups and you can create some pretty wild and wide stereo imaging in a way not so easily done outside the plug in. Silly to waste it by slamming it to mono and then trying to create some pseudo image using delays. Channel tools is all you need for panning L and R channels independently.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/03 03:11:20
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Good point. I pretty much always have things like reverb on a bus, not in my ampsim, generally what comes out of there is dual mono at best. If there is a nice stereo thing going on there, go for that. You can STILL use the channel tools to create a delay on one of the sides, if you want a stronger effect.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/03 09:53:56
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Jeff Evans If something like this can generate stereo outputs and hence record to stereo tracks I would go that way for sure. Recording everything to mono and cloning that track and delaying it is not necessarily the way to. (typical guitarist approach to synthesisers too. Remove all the wonderful internal stereo width by creating a mono track and cloning it for delay purposes. NOOOO.) If anything generates stereo then I say listen to it and see how it sounds. Record it! There are plenty of things inside Revalver that will set up a stereo image. Dual delays, reverb, chorus etc.. If these effects are not worth recording then go for mono for sure and process later but on the other hand try creating the stereo width yourself within Revalver and record it that way too. Sometimes it is better to use the internal effects processing, that is why it is there. The internal effects will also sound a little different to your DAW effects and will go a bit towards separating the guitar sound in a mix a little better too. Some plugins such as Headcase by ACMR BarGig has dual amps and cabinets and mic setups and you can create some pretty wild and wide stereo imaging in a way not so easily done outside the plug in. Silly to waste it by slamming it to mono and then trying to create some pseudo image using delays. Channel tools is all you need for panning L and R channels independently.
I will look into those settings in Revalver, but these are temporary tracks that will be reamped with one or two mics. Whatever process I come up with should also work with miced mono tracks. I suppose I could run the miked tracks through Revalver without the amp sim, but that would be a resource hog. If I'm just using it for stereo split and delay, maybe I could put one instance in an aux bus.
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/03 10:02:42
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If it's just a temporary track, why go through all the bother to begin with?
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Re: How do I convert a stereo source -> Panned mono tracks.
2014/07/03 10:19:42
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Sanderxpander If it's just a temporary track, why go through all the bother to begin with?
Because I still need to do the same thing to the miked tracks. My question applies to both.
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