How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks?

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2013/02/18 12:27:45 (permalink)

How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks?

I am trying to make a drum beat and I want to split different drum parts into multiple tracks.

For example, I want my snare, kick, and hi-hats in separate tracks so that I can put reverb, compressor and different sorts of effects on different parts.

Are there easier ways than loading a VSTi into all of those multiple tracks?
It seems very unnecessary to load 4 of the same VSTi.

I've also tried to create multiple midi tracks and set those midi tracks' outputs into a VSTi.
It seemed to be working just fine for a while until I figured that the plugins for the soft synth and the midi tracks are different.
(Sonar didn't let me put reverb or compressor into midi tracks. Instead, it showed all sorts of midi plugins such as arpeggiator, quantize and such.)

Does anyone know how to get this done? I just want to put a compression on my snare. Not to the whole drum set!
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    scook
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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 12:36:37 (permalink)
    Depends on the softsynth you are using. Most drum synths have the ability to assign instruments to different audio tracks. The easiest way is to make sure the "All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo" or "All Synth Audio Outputs: Mono" is checked when inserting the synth. Then do whatever the synth needs to map the audio to the tracks.
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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 13:09:28 (permalink)
    Wahey! Something I may be able to help with, providing you're using BFD? Are you using BFD? 

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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 13:12:25 (permalink)
    I mainly use battery3 with samples!
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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 13:21:00 (permalink)
    Ah, never used Battery to be honest. However, if I explain the way I program BFD, it may be transferable. If not, sorry I don't have a clue 


    Within Battery, in the mixer screen, set each drum to a different output (BFD output 1 is always  master, so I set snare to output 2, kick to output 3, hi hat to output 4 etc.)


    Within Sonar I then create 1 MIDI track, input from controller, output to soft synth. I'll then create the number of audio tracks that are required (one for each drum).


    Output is set to my MIDI interface, input is selected to each drum. So first audio will be BFD 2 (which is snare), next audio to BFD 3 (which is kick) etc.

    Well, that's the BFD anyway. All about the mixer within the soft synth

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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 13:58:19 (permalink)
    kineticfs, like scook said, you can start by choosing Midi Source and All Synth Outputs (Mono or Stereo) when you insert Battery. That will insert the main midi track you'll record to plus either 32 audio tracks (mono) or 16 audio tracks (stereo). Next load your kit into Battery. Make sure the Cell tab is open on the bottom of the Battery interface. Click a cell, then go to the Output section of the cell tab (far right), click on the channel drop-down of the Output section, and choose an available output. Click another cell, repeat previous steps, etc., until you've assigned all the cells you want to a channel. Now when you record and playback your Battery midi track in Sonar, you'll see each cell outputting to its assigned audio track.

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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 14:16:24 (permalink)
    Once you get it all setup, you might want to select all the tracks associated with Battery and the Drum Bus (you are using a Drum Bus right) and save it as a track template. That way you can reuse the track template rather than setup Battery each time.
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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 16:15:30 (permalink)
    Some great advice so far.

    When you've finished mapping all of your kit pieces form Battery into Sonar, delete the unused tracks to reduce screen clutter.

    I would also make sure you select Mono tracks only when you insert Battery as a synth, this weill make mixing a lot more simple & strsightforward.

    scook is spot on - put all your drum tracks into a drum folder.

    Create a stereo bus (because you do want to pan you kit right?) and route the output of this bus to you Master Bus
    route the outputs of all your drum audio tracks (not the Midi track) to the drum bus


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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 16:52:13 (permalink)
    Setting up multi outs in Battery is a piece of cake, however I seem to remember having trouble with using mono outputs so I just used the stereo ones instead. If you need more outputs than are in the Battery output drop-down menu, then go into the Battery options (wrench icon) and tell it to give you more. 

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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 16:54:57 (permalink)
    Oh and by the way, did you try Battery's "in house" processing? You can add compression, saturation, reverb and delay to each drum individually. Just click on the drum in question and go to the "effect" tab. I sometimes find everything I need out of these effects anyway, no need to make multiple tracks in Sonar. The compression is perfectly adequate for snares. The delay effect is pretty cool to play with too. 

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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 19:26:31 (permalink)
    OMG! Thank you guys so much for the advice! I will definitely try these when I get home tonight! Thank you, thank you! :)
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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 20:22:36 (permalink)
    Just wondering...do people usually input drums in this way? or do they just put all drum parts into a single track?
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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 20:30:15 (permalink)
    Cannot speak for anyone but myself; I always use multiple audio tracks and usually a single MIDI track for Drums
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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 22:20:28 (permalink)
    scook


    Cannot speak for anyone but myself; I always use multiple audio tracks and usually a single MIDI track for Drums


    Same here.

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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/18 22:40:23 (permalink)
    Yep as far as I'm concerned one MIDI track and multiple audio tracks is the only sensible way to go. I've heard people swear by separate MIDI tracks for each drum, but to me that's just a horrible messy idea. When all of your drum MIDI is on one track you can see the whole beat and how each part relates to each other, plus when it comes down to dividing your drum part into repeatable patterns to reproduce along the length of the song, it's going to be a lot easier if you're dealing with single clips instead of separate clips for every drum. 

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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/19 02:58:21 (permalink)
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    Yep as far as I'm concerned one MIDI track and multiple audio tracks is the only sensible way to go. I've heard people swear by separate MIDI tracks for each drum, but to me that's just a horrible messy idea. When all of your drum MIDI is on one track you can see the whole beat and how each part relates to each other, plus when it comes down to dividing your drum part into repeatable patterns to reproduce along the length of the song, it's going to be a lot easier if you're dealing with single clips instead of separate clips for every drum. 

    I usually star with a single Midi track multiple output tracks.  Once I have the drums more or less together, I will create a cymbal midi track (I have the Zildian package with BFD eco), and copy the cymbal midi over.  I could set up a drum map, but thee are (and always have been) solo issue when mapping multiple synths on a single map.


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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/19 04:41:48 (permalink)
    Dude Ivey


    scook


    Cannot speak for anyone but myself; I always use multiple audio tracks and usually a single MIDI track for Drums


    Same here.


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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/19 04:48:19 (permalink)
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    Cannot speak for anyone but myself; I always use multiple audio tracks and usually a single MIDI track for Drums

    Again, same here. I used to have Cubase 5 before Sonar and in Cubase you could 'dissolve part' which would split out each line onto a new MIDI track which was incredibly useful - only because I used to convert each MIDI to audio instead of now routing to an audio track.
     
    But now in Sonar, 1 MIDI track and 11 audio tracks. Much easier!

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    Re:How do I split different drum parts into multiple tracks? 2013/02/19 09:08:19 (permalink)
    I have a different vantage point. I prefer separate tracks for Midi for each piece of the kit. Super easy to make edits this way. Still can easily copy and paste sections around.  The Group feature also allows setting each track into record mode and/or input monitor mode. I would never switch to one Midi track for drums. I recognize each of us have discovered ways to make things work well with our workflow. Lots of you apparently like single track Midi for drums. I'm a huge fan of multiple Midi tracks for drums.

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