How do they make this sound

The sound I'm talking about is what I think is a timpani that  is being tuned upward in real time somehow.
In real life there are two ways I can think of that might have worked, one would be to hit the skin and adjust the tuning pegs on the side of the drum at the same time.
The other would be raise the pitch by hitting the skin and pressing down on the skin with another stick at the same time.
Either way I would love to know how to create the effect in a drum vst but so far my attempts have failed.

I tried using a tuning envelope in BFD2 but the tuning doesn't seem to effect the pitch once the skin has been been hit which I guess makes sense so I'm thinking it probably can't be done that way.
I tried using the frequency shift effect in BFD2 but it changes the whole tone and resonance and sounds too artificial.

Anyway, the sound I'm trying to recreate is in this classic Tiny Tim track at 0.52.

Anyone who's seen old tom & jerry cartoons or carry on films or any bawdy slapstick comedies of the 60's and 70's should recognise it as soon as they hear it 


Here's the song  Tiny Tim - Living In The Sunlight


Steve

I believe it's called a pedal glissando. Aside from the tuning pegs around the side, there is also a foot pedal which tunes on the fly.
Bibs

Steve, you can approximate this using Dim Pro.

Load up the Timpani from the Garritan Orchestra, set the bend up/down range how you want it in thr Dim Pro GUI and bend away!

derp... didn't fully read Jonesey's post. If the GPO is programmed for it then that's pretty cool.

hmm... Seeing as how BFD uses samples is there a way maybe you could try accessing the sample and loading it into Dim Pro or another sampler/synth? Not sure if those files are proprietary or if it would give the desired effect but could be an interesting experiment. Or maybe bouncing a couple hits of the BFD timpani to audio and turning it into a DimPro compatible sample (are they called REX files?). Probably too much work for possibly little to no reward but it got me thinking about it. Cheers.

Beepster


Oh and if you can automate the tuning knob within BFD that might get you close. Not sure if that's possible though.

Yeah you can utomate the tuning knob and every other knob in BFD2 (as well as BFD Eco) but for some reason once the note has been hit 
it doesn't seem to be effected by the tuning. I can see the tuning dial moving in BFD2 but nothing happens.
I posted on the BFD2 forum so maybe there is a way that someone knows of.


I think BFD2 files are standard wave files but I don't now if dimension pro can do the kind of velocity laying that would be needed and yes,
it's fart too much effort for me to find out since right now I don't have any songs that are crying out for a peddled timpani 


Steve

timpani

twaddle

Beepster


Oh and if you can automate the tuning knob within BFD that might get you close. Not sure if that's possible though.

Yeah you can utomate the tuning knob and every other knob in BFD2 (as well as BFD Eco) but for some reason once the note has been hit 
it doesn't seem to be effected by the tuning. I can see the tuning dial moving in BFD2 but nothing happens.
I posted on the BFD2 forum so maybe there is a way that someone knows of.


I think BFD2 files are standard wave files but I don't now if dimension pro can do the kind of velocity laying that would be needed and yes,
it's fart too much effort for me to find out since right now I don't have any songs that are crying out for a peddled timpani 


Steve

If you open the timpani sfz file in dimension pro with notepad you will see there are actually 18 different pitched timpani flac samples. If bfd2 has only one sample I doubt that you will get a similar result. 

no they are 18 different pitched samples not velocity layers. D2, D#2, E2, F2, F#2 etc.

I'm thinking maybe they had one of their pros just sit there tapping away and they used some kind of analyzer to pick out which hits most accurately reflected the velocity they were going for. Then perhaps adjust them a bit if needed but from most of what I've read those guys are pretty hardcore about getting things perfect and pure. It's funny watching the credits on some of those sample packs. Reminiscent of game production credits.

Beepster


I'm thinking maybe they had one of their pros just sit there tapping away and they used some kind of analyzer to pick out which hits most accurately reflected the velocity they were going for. Then perhaps adjust them a bit if needed but from most of what I've read those guys are pretty hardcore about getting things perfect and pure. It's funny watching the credits on some of those sample packs. Reminiscent of game production credits.

I have used Angus's products for many years and I have found them to be excellent I just don't own BFD

I have not actually so thanks for the link (I'll definitely be taking a look at that). I was basing that assumption on general internet scouring. And yeah... the Platinum Samples guys are freaking pro. I had never even heard of them until I showed up here and they have astounded me with the quality of their stuff and the ultra interactive approach to customer service. Cripes, they stalk this very forum looking for people to help. Doesn't get much better than that. lol