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2015/05/08 20:42:08 (permalink)

How does one pronounce "Dorchester"?

Is it Dorster, or Dor-chest-er or something else. It is sort of like Worcestershire. I grew up calling it "Wooster" sauce... (I know). Sometimes I call it "What's this here" sauce but I think it is wors-ter-shire... but I'm not sure. You probably need a cockney accent to correctly pronounce it... but I digress, Dorster?
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/08 21:07:57 (permalink)
Locally it may be pronounced " Dough-chess-ta"

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/08 21:13:34 (permalink)
I think it's "Dork hipster" or something like that.  

 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 04:53:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/05/09 06:51:20
In a broad Dorset accent?
 
('course, that would be the UK Dorchester.)

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 07:08:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2015/05/28 09:10:19
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In a broad Dorset accent?
 
('course, that would be the UK Dorchester.)




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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 11:15:34 (permalink)
It depends on whether you're in Massachusetts or Great Britain, two places that have many placenames in common, but often with radically different pronunciations.  Oddly, it's the normally enunciation-lazy Americans who retain all the letters and the normally more-precise Brits who run them all together and/or drop them entirely.
 
I used to live in a town named Bicester, near Oxford. It was pronounced "bister". I didn't even attempt to say any town names out loud when I visited Wales.


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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 11:38:03 (permalink)
It's like Worcestershire but with a D.
 

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 11:42:34 (permalink)
Tourists in New York always get confused by the fact that Houston St is pronounced "Howston" and not "Hewston" as in Texas. I've had tourists tell me on more than one occasion that I'm saying it wrong, even though I've lived a block a way from the bloody thing for 10 years. 
 
I'm going to say with 99% certainty that Dorchester is pronounced exactly how it looks. 

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 11:53:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/05/10 12:50:42
 
There are no doubt exceptions*, but the general rule over here in Blighty is that place names ending in:
  • ---chester are pronounced phonetically, e.g:
    • Man-chester
    • Win-chester
    • Col-chester
  • ---cester are pronounces so the "--ce" part of the suffix is silent, e.g:
    • Worcester = Wuss-ter (as in Wusstershire Sauce)
    • Leicester = Less-ter
    • Gloucester - Gloss-ter
* Cirencester is the only one I can think of, and is pronounced phonetically, albeit with a soft 'C' = Siren-sess-ter
 
 
 
 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 11:59:36 (permalink)
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 12:15:55 (permalink)
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 Cirencester 
 
 



Possibly the first time my birthplace has been mentioned on these here fori.
 
We always referred to it as 'Soyrun'.

 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 12:55:21 (permalink)
 
 
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SteveStrummerUK
 
 Cirencester 
 
 



Possibly the first time my birthplace has been mentioned on these here fori.
 
We always referred to it as 'Soyrun'.




I do believe the plural of 'forum' is 'forums', or possible 'fora'.
 
But not 'fori'....
 
I may be wrong though.
 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 13:05:30 (permalink)
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Oddly, it's the normally enunciation-lazy Americans who retain all the letters and the normally more-precise Brits who run them all together and/or drop them entirely.

 
I found it interesting that the Americans tend to speak correctly and that those over in the UK are the ones who changed sometime after the Americans got their independence.  In other words, we speak like they used to.  The change started in the UK when some wanted to exaggerate the class differences, but soon the new way of speaking was being done by just about everyone.  I'll have to see if I can find the article about this, it was very interesting.
 

 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 14:18:41 (permalink)
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Oddly, it's the normally enunciation-lazy Americans who retain all the letters and the normally more-precise Brits who run them all together and/or drop them entirely.

 
I found it interesting that the Americans tend to speak correctly and that those over in the UK are the ones who changed sometime after the Americans got their independence.  In other words, we speak like they used to.  The change started in the UK when some wanted to exaggerate the class differences, but soon the new way of speaking was being done by just about everyone.  I'll have to see if I can find the article about this, it was very interesting.
 




It's probably not quite that straightforward...as usual. Within this tiny island there are many, many different dialects and accents, each with their own peculiar pronunciations. Blame the Romans, the Saxons, The Vikings, The Hugenots, The Beaker People, etc etc...It goes back a long time before the US was born.

 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 18:03:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/05/09 21:27:25
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I'm going to say with 99% certainty that Dorchester is pronounced exactly how it looks. 


I don't know how Dorchester looks. Never been there.

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 18:34:22 (permalink)
Since the locals only sometimes pronounce R's. Like Cah vs, truck. I'm going with Doow-chest-uh. Doow is like door with a wuh instead of the r.
 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 18:45:16 (permalink)
The British way of spelling is very much Anglo-French. Words like colour were originally spelled color and originated of course from the Latin, in this case color or colorare.  The French influence came about, unsurprisingly, from the Norman conquest of Britain. The Renaissance saw a revival of the Latin spellings in Britain, and things were pretty much confused until spelling became standardized - in Britain via the dictionary of Samuel Johnson, and in the US by the dictionary of Noah Webster, who believed that words should be shortened where possible. 
 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 18:57:30 (permalink)
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The British way of spelling is very much Anglo-French. Words like colour were originally spelled color and originated of course from the Latin, in this case color or colorare.  The French influence came about, unsurprisingly, from the Norman conquest of Britain. The Renaissance saw a revival of the Latin spellings in Britain, and things were pretty much confused until spelling became standardized - in Britain via the dictionary of Samuel Johnson, and in the US by the dictionary of Noah Webster, who believed that words should be shortened where possible. 
 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 19:00:05 (permalink)
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Oddly, it's the normally enunciation-lazy Americans who retain all the letters and the normally more-precise Brits who run them all together and/or drop them entirely.

 
I found it interesting that the Americans tend to speak correctly and that those over in the UK are the ones who changed sometime after the Americans got their independence.  In other words, we speak like they used to.  The change started in the UK when some wanted to exaggerate the class differences, but soon the new way of speaking was being done by just about everyone.  I'll have to see if I can find the article about this, it was very interesting.
 




It's probably not quite that straightforward...as usual. Within this tiny island there are many, many different dialects and accents, each with their own peculiar pronunciations. Blame the Romans, the Saxons, The Vikings, The Hugenots, The Beaker People, etc etc...It goes back a long time before the US was born.




English dialect is a funny thing. My own Geordie dialect borrows heavily from the Vikings who settled first in Northumbria. You'll see a lot of place names which end in -by or -thorpe in the North East. This came from the Vikings. We have words which are similar to the Norwegian equivalent, for example bairns for 'children,' similar to the Norwegian barns. And hyem for 'home,' same as the Norwegians. We also say oot for 'out,' similar to the Norwegian ut, and hoose for 'house,' similar to the Norwegian hus. The Scottish dialect also has this influence of course. 
 
Back in Newcastle I had a Norwegian friend who told me that when he first came to the UK and lived in London, he had trouble understanding what in the hell anyone was saying. It was only when he moved to Newcastle that he felt at home linguistically. Indeed listening to him talk to his mother on the phone in Norwegian, I was struck by the similarly in sound, lilt and rhythm. 
 
Of course it didn't stop there and it's interesting to trace the spread of language and culture elsewhere. I hear a lot of similarities between my Geordie dialect and the Jamaican dialect for example - especially in the way we say words like "go" and "ball." I met Jamaicans when I lived in Nantucket who noticed the same similarities. Of course the reason for this spread is a touchy subject - it no doubt had something to do with colonization, in much the same way as a lot of African Americans have Scottish sounding surnames from Scottish slave owners, who also brought with them the gospel style of music (amazingly enough). 

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 19:00:26 (permalink)
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The British way of spelling is very much Anglo-French. Words like colour were originally spelled color and originated of course from the Latin, in this case color or colorare.  The French influence came about, unsurprisingly, from the Norman conquest of Britain. The Renaissance saw a revival of the Latin spellings in Britain, and things were pretty much confused until spelling became standardized - in Britain via the dictionary of Samuel Johnson, and in the US by the dictionary of Noah Webster, who believed that words should be shortened where possible. 
 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/09 19:29:21 (permalink)
 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/10 12:23:44 (permalink)
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It depends on whether you're in Massachusetts or Great Britain, two places that have many placenames in common, but often with radically different pronunciations.  Oddly, it's the normally enunciation-lazy Americans who retain all the letters and the normally more-precise Brits who run them all together and/or drop them entirely.
 
I used to live in a town named Bicester, near Oxford. It was pronounced "bister". I didn't even attempt to say any town names out loud when I visited Wales.


Launceston is a good one, any Cornishman will tell you its pronounced Larnsen, if you are from west of the Tamar you will pronounce it Launston. There is a town with the same spelling in Tasmania called Lawn-Cest-Ton
 

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/11 00:09:19 (permalink)
According to the great documentary series The Story of English (which I admittedly haven't seen in a long time) if you want to hear modern English spoken close to the way it was in Colonial times, go to West Virginia or an island off the coast of Virginia. 


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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/11 07:35:10 (permalink)
There's certainly a possibility that some parts of New England are close to some English regional accents 300 or so years ago. But only some.

When Shakespeare rhymed "found" or "ground" with "wound" (as in an injury, pronounced woond) all the "ound" word endings were probably pronounced "ow-nd". Shakespeare himself probably sounded quite a bit like the modern Birmingham (West Midlands, not Alabama) accent. Or should I say Brummagem?

Accents and dialect can and do change drastically over 40 miles in England. Even the Danelaw still has an impact. And as George bernard Shaw said, an English person only has to hear another English person speak a single sentence to get a very good idea of their class, educational level, whether they went to a public (which means private) school or not and where they come from.

As for spelling, that only became standardised relatively recently. And the English called the autumn "fall" until the posh fashion for Frenchifying in the 18th century.

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/11 08:49:19 (permalink)
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/11 12:12:06 (permalink)
While accents and dialect change over short distances in the UK, you really have to have an ear for dialect or have grown up in a place to be able to hear the differences. I can hear differences at a scale of about 10 miles or so in the Tyneside dialect, but I've heard people from the south of the UK unable to tell the difference between the Newcastle and Sunderland accents (a world apart if you're from the North East). Unless you're from there, you tend to hear it all as a "north east accent" and ignore the subtle differences. 
 
Also of note is that there are male and female forms of dialect. You hear this in the U.S. too. For instance, I hear American women talk on the phone and they say this drawn out "and" like "eeeyaaaaaand," and they say "thank you" like "thiiiink yeouwww." I never hear guys say those words like that. 

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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/11 12:44:41 (permalink)
How do you say "Relegation" in Newcastle and Sunderland?  
 
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Re: How does one pronounce "Dorchester"? 2015/05/11 12:57:45 (permalink)
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How do you say "Relegation" in Newcastle and Sunderland?  
 
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