How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses?

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2012/05/11 22:15:12 (permalink)

How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses?

I use Sonar 8.3 Pro. And it comes with channel tools, and I've used them. But sometimes I get good results, and sometimes not what I'm looking for. I don't blame Sonar, I blame my inability. 

I'm curious, when someone makes a comment like, "you should spread the vocals some?" I understand what that means in theory? But in practice? Ahhhh, I can't really do it? Short of using those channel tools, and then if you spread things, I think you need to use more chan tools on other tracks buses to position things? 

I'm wondering if there are any "tricks?" that people use? I'm sure some of it is common knowledge, and I wish I had more of that. My mixing knowledge is less than common...

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    Re:How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses? 2012/05/11 22:28:40 (permalink)
    Channel Tools is for altering stereo files. It won't do anything for a mono vox track. It WILL do something though if you have stereo effects such as delays (with different L and R settings) or a stereo reverb.

    Thus two techniques I just mentioned above. You can make use of stereo delays. Sonitus delay is great to play around with. Also a nice stereo reverb can add some width, or 'vocal spread'.

    Typically, however, I would do this by layering. For example, you can record your centre, main vocal track, followed by two additional recordings which you pan L and R and turn back down into the mix to create a subtle stereo spread. These recordings can be of identical melody, a nice different melodic harmony, the same melody and octave up or down, a 5th up or down, etc. The list is endless. Another trick you probably wouldn't think of here is the whisper track. You literally whisper the song. Careful on the 's' sounds though. Then two of these whisper tracks can be used to create an interesting width.

    Experiment, and see what you come up with. A typical pop song could have 10, 20 or even more layers of vocals on a chorus, all subtly adding to a huge, wide, full vocal chorus. Mixing here needs to be carefully tweaked, however, to get a great result that doesn't sound too much like a big group of identical people singing, unless that's the sound you are going for!


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    Re:How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses? 2012/05/11 23:32:48 (permalink)
    Getting width (and depth) in a mix means providing the listener with audible cues that mimic the types of cues we hear in real life that help us determine which direction a sound is coming from. Figure out how spatial perception works and you can replicate the effect in your mixes, giving them a sense of spaciousness.

    Caveat: some of those cues are dangerous to duplicate in a mix. Much of our spatial perception comes from phase differences between what each ear picks up. You can simulate that electronically, but you can also totally hose your mono compatibility in the process. I would generally advise against plugins that use phase tricks to widen stereo tracks or full mixes. [But I can recommend a pretty good one if you insist: it's called Hbasm Stereoizer. There is a free version and a very cheap ($19) version.]

    The good news is that you don't need a fancy plugin to get width, and you can achieve it without losing mono compatibility. The key to width is detecting some kind of difference between what the left and right ears hear. Phase is just one of the differences we can sense.

    A mono track such as a lead vocal cannot be widened, only panned. However, if the vocal is double-tracked - which as Matt notes above, is routine - the two tracks can be panned slightly apart. Because each track sounds a little different from the other, the listener's brain interprets it as width. A much less-effective technique is to use a delayed copy of a mono track, or a chorus plugin, or something like Waves Doubler. All of these yield a similar spreading effect, but nothing beats real double-tracking.

    Reverb and delay are crucial to depth, but they can also play a role in widening. Subtle ping-pong delays are very effective, especially on lead instruments such as guitar and saxophone. Panning an instrument's reverb to the opposite side is an easy trick for widening. If you use two rhythm guitars panned hard left and right, try cross-panning their respective reverbs. (That technique ain't for yer metal tunes, though; that genre's got carved-in-stone rules you don't mess with.)

    In addition to cross-panning instruments and reverbs, I'm also a fan of movement in reverbs. PerfectSpace has a cool feature that allows you to apply left/right movement to the reverb tail. [And I'll even share one of my secret techniques here (don't tell anybody): a nifty free plugin called Pancake from Cableguys. Put it on your reverb bus.]


    Another big area for width-enhancement is M/S processing with equalizers and compressors. A standard trick is to boost highs on the Side component. This works because our directional sense is based on high frequencies (over ~1KHz), so by emphasizing highs in the Side component we exaggerate any differences between left and right channels - and L/R differences is the name of the game! 

    Similarly, compressors that let you unlink left and right channels also emphasize L/R differences. For example, my favorite limiter (FabFilter Pro-L) lets you unlink transients and/or release times. This allows smaller, unlimited peaks to poke out independently on each side, which promotes L/R differences.

    Some compressors also support M/S processing, allowing for separate treatment of Mid and Side components. Having a longer attack time on the sides emphasizes transients, which again exaggerates L/R differences and gives a greater sense of width. I'll often compress the Mid portion more than the sides, which lets you fatten a track without losing side dynamics.

    Gosh, there must be a gazillion tricks for making mixes wider. When experimenting, just remember that the key to width is differences between left and right channels. Anything that encourages differences will help make for a wider mix.

    Uh, I guess that's enough rambling...I know I really shouldn't post so soon after burning a doob.


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    Re:How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses? 2012/05/11 23:55:27 (permalink)
    Matt, that is some excellent feedback! Thank you!

    Bitflipper, I'm going to have to read your post several times to understand it well. You are usually way up there over my head. I appreciate that? I do, but I want to understand it all and not just gloss over it. And 11:55 on a Friday night is no time for me to do that kind of digging :-) I will digest it in detail this weekend though. You are one of the technical gurus... So a narative like this carries weight, and deserves the respect it is due to read it and understand it, thanks.

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    Re:How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses? 2012/05/12 08:58:23 (permalink)
    Bandon_,

    Your lead vox tracks are aleady perfect, IMHO/JMO.  You apparently have your delays and/or verbs appropriately 'spreading' through the panorama.

    LCR (left-100%-center-right-100%) panning is a listenable extreme ... and gives you/I utmost spread, IMHO.

    Enveloping (non-vox, non-bass, non-kick) tracks ... 100% LT or RT is done across genres, iirc.  Even headphone listeners aren't too offended by LCR panning.  'Seems only us producers are offended by LCR panning.

    So, in your/my busy sections, LCR panning may be highly appreciated.

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    Re:How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses? 2012/05/12 10:15:37 (permalink)
    How I do it. 

    I record a lead vocal and it stays centered.

    If I have one BGV it also generally stays centered.  With 2 or more BGV's they are panned about 30% to 40% max to either side.  I never clone a track. I always record new tracks since this minimizes the occurrence of comb filtering. 

    I often, now, will record several unison lead tracks and pan them opposite and fairly far down in the mix to where you really can't hear them easily. Soloed, they are audible but in the mix they are pretty much underneath the music and "hidden". Still, your brain picks them out and gives you, the listener, the impression of a wider, fatter vocal. 

    Also, on a straight up solo vocal track with no doubling, using Ozone, which has a "widening" module, can often subtly spread the stereo imaging of a single mono track enough without the obvious sound of  some of the other "wideners" that people use. 

    I use any and all of the techniques above in my tracks. 

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    Re:How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses? 2012/05/12 12:03:36 (permalink)
    :-) you guys are awesome! I'll give these a try, and for 19 bux? I figured I couldn't go wrong with that plug so I picked it up along w/the free one. Thanks Flipper.

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    Re:How exactly do you "spread" tracks or buses? 2012/05/12 14:56:25 (permalink)
    A word of warning about that plugin: it will destroy mono compatibility if you move the main slider down into the lower section. The upper settings will be more subtle, but less damaging. Even though it says "mono compatible" in the upper half of the slider, it's not. Also, it claims to work on mono tracks, but it doesn't. You can always throw in a stereo effect in front of it, such as the Sonitus Delay, to force a mono track to stereo.
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