How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis?

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2012/09/22 08:10:07 (permalink)

How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis?


Hi, I wanted to ask a very specific question.

I saw some comments elsewhere that the ability to zoom take lanes may be constrained to some specific height?

In past versions of SONAR I have enjoyed zooming in on any clip in a layer as far as I want.  I sometimes appreciate the ability to fill the screen with a single layer in a track so that I can track down the source of a small noise.

I'm thinking the comments I have just read, that this is no longer possible, must be the result of some small confusion.



Can someone explain just how easy it is to zoom any single take lane to fill the screen in the vertical axis?


Thanks.

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mike


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    SvenArne
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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 08:19:41 (permalink)
    You can't. The maximum size it expands to would be about one fifth of the entire track view (on my 1900x1080 screen).





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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 08:30:57 (permalink)

    That's hard for me to believe.

    The only comment I will make is that I have felt that many other DAWs comping capabilities were hampered by an inability to see the smallest details while using their recommended comp tools.

    The ability to zoom in and see the smallest details in SONAR's was one of the features that made me feel SONAR was both the fastest and most accurate comping tool available.

    If this is true, It seems, to me, as if Cakewalk has just surrendered one of SONAR's greatest benefits.



    Thank you for explaining Sven.


    best regards,
    mike






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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 08:33:39 (permalink)
    For me, this limitation is mostly theoretical, but I'm sure some people dive into their comp tracks in greater detail. You can always expand the take if you hide the lanes, though...





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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 08:34:02 (permalink)
    But you can still make the main track as wide as you want and therefore still see the finer details of your wave?

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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 08:39:17 (permalink)
    SvenArne


    For me, this limitation is mostly theoretical, but I'm sure some people dive into their comp tracks in greater detail. You can always expand the take if you hide the lanes, though...


    Can you elaborate?

    What I have experienced when I comp several takes into one using my favorite version of SONAR is that my guests that are familiar with other DAWs almost always say something like "wow, that seems really, really fast"... which is there way of acknowledging that they are taking the accuracy for granted while being amazed at how quickly I zoom in and out search out the best of the best while annihilating the worst of the best.

    I can assure you that for me, this is far more than theoretical. It's one of the features that made me a SONAR fan boy.

    Perhaps your explanation above provides the functionality I'm hoping for.

    Thanks again.

    best regards,
    mike



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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 08:49:34 (permalink)
    Hiding lanes (layers)  to expand is self-defeating for myself. Sometimes I really need to zoom in very close while editing between each clip. 
    If I hide the lanes that means I have to zoom out even father horizontally to get tight editing done.

    Previously & with layers doing this type of editing was done quickly while actually using less screen area than with lanes (plus the clip auto rebuild was a nice feature)

    As I said maybe I'm missing a setting?
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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 08:50:16 (permalink)
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     I can assure you that for me, this is far more than theoretical. It's one of the features that made me a SONAR fan boy.


    I can assure you, you have many features that make you more than a SONAR fan boy 


    Have you ever used Logic 8 and later? I'd say that SONAR's new take lanes are A LOT like that. Very fast operation and the smoothness of maximizing and hiding the lanes is way beyond what it used to be. 


    My point is that the lanes get more than big enough that I can see were to put my edits. I always do my deep editing on the finished comp track, and by hiding the lanes, that's no problem.

    You really should try for yourself. A lot of the improvements in X2 seem to me like the sort of stuff I can remember you asking for in the past (even before X1).

    Sven

    P.S. I AM a SONAR fan boy, but I've still reported two genuine bugs since the release of X2.





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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 08:54:15 (permalink)

    Mike
    which is there way of acknowledging that they are taking the accuracy for granted while being amazed at how quickly I zoom in and out


    Hey Mike, Zooming in and out to where I want to be has always been a problem for me. 
    I know I must be missing something but Sonar never zooms to where it should. 
    Do you use cntrl/arrows, or the little window slider bars on side and bottom, Or???


    Please teach me how to zoom in and out effectively so I can be amazed.
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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:02:26 (permalink)
    Hi Tim,
      There's no secret that I know of.

     I use a wacom tablet for a mouse.

     I think that having that makes it very easy to perform stuff like this faster and more accurate than many can imagine or may have witnessed.
     
     I zoom in to the sample level in the horizontal and everything in between.

     I haven't used a noise gate since my days of mic-ing metal drum kits in the 80's with too many mics. So I like to zoom in on the vertical and find all the stuff other people may possibly ignore.
     
     I don't know.... but I'm glad to learn this detail about Take Lanes without having to pay to be disappointed.

     Thanks again to Sven for helpful and accurate explanations.

    best regards,
    mike



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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:04:51 (permalink)
    mike_mccue


    Thanks again to Sven for helpful and accurate explanations.

    Why is it that you and Jonbuoy are so polite to me all the time, even when I contradict you? Is it because you believe I'm clinically rëtarded? 





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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:05:29 (permalink)
    Mike is correct.. take lanes are broken from an editing perspective.. the largest i can size a take lane is 2" tall on my monitor.. zooming is for tracks, not take lanes.


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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:07:33 (permalink)
    Mike I liked it when you were able to answer my questions.

    Times have changed and we're both older and since a previous question not
    long ago was about eye glasses...well, just hope you're ageing well.
    Now...get with the program it's only the cost of a good meal at worst... geeze...
    what's next?...get off my damn grass? You old fart. :)
     
     
     
     
     
    And this is not to be taken wrong....ya know I luv ya brother.
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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:07:42 (permalink)

    "Why is it that you and Jonbuoy are so polite to me all the time, even when I contradict you? Is it because you believe I'm clinically rëtarded? "


    I really don't understand.

    I don't wish anyone any ill will.

    If you can't see that... I will exercise my option to wait until there may some opportunity for you to understand that I really don't wish you or anyone any ill will.

    All the best, sincerely.
    mike


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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:13:39 (permalink)
    mike_mccue


    "Why is it that you and Jonbuoy are so polite to me all the time, even when I contradict you? Is it because you believe I'm clinically rëtarded? "


    I really don't understand.

    I don't wish anyone any ill will.

    If you can't see that... I will exercise my option to wait until there may some opportunity for you to understand that I really don't wish you or anyone any ill will.

    All the best, sincerely.
    mike

    That was a joke, buddy!






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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:20:53 (permalink)

    OK, I feel better now.

    :-)

    best,
    mike


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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:36:11 (permalink)
    BTW have you seen Seth's "Transitioning from X1 to X2" video that's stickied up now? That's the type of stuff that makes SONAR X2 superior to all previous SONARs IMO...





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    Re:How far can you expand the view of a take lane in the vertical axis? 2012/09/22 09:41:12 (permalink)

    I haven't but I'll be sure to check it out.

    best,
    mike


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