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2014/03/25 06:20:07 (permalink)

How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others?

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Just wondering if anyone compared Sonars built-in QuadCurve EQ with 3rd part providers, such as Fabfilter, Nomad Factory, Waves etc. I can't really hear any difference but I've heard that EQs (free etc) often add noise, especially when adding gain to a digital EQ (like QuadCurve EQ). Any feedback would be appreciated:)
 

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 07:53:01 (permalink)
Ever since X1 was released I've used the QCEQ pretty much exclusively for tracking. I think it is right up there with the best of them. My only issue was that it was relatively small compared to some. That issue was solved with the 'fly-out' in X3.
 
That said if one already owned, say, the offering from FabFilter, and they were used to using it, then I don't see a reason for making a switch. Although I do like having it right in the ProChannel for easy access.
 
You could set up an A/B test with QCEQ and your current fav and see if you can detect in deficiencies or positive aspects of one over the other 
 
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 08:31:02 (permalink)
I think it's very good for a built-in EQ. Having said that, I still prefer using Waves SSL's channel strip to Pro Channel because I can dial in the sound I'm looking for much faster. I purchased several of the Pro Channel addons and really do like them, but the SSL is easier for me to get what I'm looking for.
 
I do still use the Quad Curve EQ when all a track needs is a quick tweak, or I'm just HPF something. The "Gloss" switch also adds a noticeable  airiness to cymbals and other instruments with lots of high frequency information.
 
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 08:36:01 (permalink)
I agree with Mike.  I really like the quad curve EQ. Its very handy and it sounds great.

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 09:52:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/03/27 16:24:12
When comparing Quad EQ to 3rd party products like Pro-Q the major differences are features. Pro-Q has the ability to mix M/S and L/R EQ bands, pre and post EQ spectrum analyzer, choice of linear phase or 4 other processing modes, undo/redo and A/B comparison. And there is no one EQ per track limit.
 
That said, the Quad EQ is a very nice, useful tool.
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 10:32:22 (permalink)
I also like QuadEQ and it's my #1 choice for any kind of material.
I also have Waves EQs, NI EQs (Komplete9), all Fabfilters, Voxengo EQs and many more but generally I find no reason not to use QuadEQ - it sounds great and if it doesn't, then problem is in the source audio, not in the plug-in.
 
For resonant filter things I'd use something else but for normal EQing QuadEQ does the job very well.
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 10:44:44 (permalink)
I think it's great for general all-purpose EQ work, especially if you're using it to make a lot of cuts and/or high and low pass filtering. I do however really like the Waves V-EQ for making high frequency boosts, because it just sounds a little bit sweeter to my ears. In terms of interface and usability, the ProChannel EQ is absolutely excellent. 

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 10:47:55 (permalink)
The Quad is great.  No real need for 3rd party EQs if you don't have them - unless they are analog.

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 11:39:18 (permalink)
I have and mostly use Pro-Q and as Scook said, it's really about the features. I don't do a lot of fancy stuff but its workflow is just very nice, I'm not tied to the ProChannel, I can create bands as I want and the analyzer is more customizable. I haven't personally noticed any significant differences in sound between the two. Depending on the mode, the QCEQ can do some vintage curve emulations but I think I can get the same curves/sounds with the FF one.
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 13:41:28 (permalink)
Thanks guys!
 
Well, I also like that its built into the Pro Channel, ready to use directly...
I mostly use it for cutting low/high pass or gain/reduce frequencies to separate Bass/Kicks for example. The only thing I find a bit annoying is not to be able to move the "fly-out" window around, could be a good feature when comparing frequencies between tracks... Well, its still good:)

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 16:46:35 (permalink)
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Thanks guys!
 
Well, I also like that its built into the Pro Channel, ready to use directly...
I mostly use it for cutting low/high pass or gain/reduce frequencies to separate Bass/Kicks for example. The only thing I find a bit annoying is not to be able to move the "fly-out" window around, could be a good feature when comparing frequencies between tracks... Well, its still good:)






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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 18:10:50 (permalink)
+1 on the QCEQ!
The fly out RTA is an indispensable tool and sounds great.

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 22:15:01 (permalink)
I think the quad curve EQ is really great and I frequently find its results preferable to others I try on the same part. I also like its ease of use. So total thumbs up!

I've continued to get better at mixing, and one technique I've picked up from someone in some explanation is the idea (if appropriate) to EQ a part before passing it through a compressor. Just an example of that would be to EQ a guitar track coming out of an amp sim before putting the track through a compressor. This allows to EQ out some of the high scratchy stuff and/or low end which can help in what results from the compressor.

The point being I see the usefulness of using more than one EQ on a track as appropriate. One sort of as a pre processing EQ and the other, presumably the Quad Curve EQ, finishing it off after the processing to get the right tone overall.

I put the extra EQ in a ProChannel FX chain module to allow positioning within the ProChannel flow.

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/25 23:46:04 (permalink)
I think you should be able to insert as many instances of the EQ as you need. Using multiple EQ's in a chain is quite common and it's a shame that you're tied to using a 3rd party alternative if you need more than one. Ideally I'd like to see a VST version of the Quadcurve EQ as well as the ProChannel module. You'd have a lot more freedom and you'd also be able to move the GUI around as needed. To be honest I think making the ProChannel flyout detachable would be problematic, and it kind of defeats the whole point of it being built into the channel. 

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/26 07:55:54 (permalink)
Quadcurve EQ is godly. Although I haven't used a massive range of other EQs I find it better than pretty much any of the ones I've tried previously.
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/26 08:29:56 (permalink)
it's definitely become my go-to EQ, and i love the "fly-out" feature as well.  i agree that having a vst version of it, over and above the ProChannel version of it would add flexibility

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/26 15:09:42 (permalink)
I love the QCEQ, and the four types of EQ really do sound different.  The flyout window is terrific, though, I'd like to see a solo button added so I can toggle it on and off while working on a sound.  I've already put in a feature request for one, and if anyone else thinks this is a good idea, please put a feature request for one to CW.

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/26 19:17:55 (permalink)
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I love the QCEQ, and the four types of EQ really do sound different.  The flyout window is terrific, though, I'd like to see a solo button added so I can toggle it on and off while working on a sound.  I've already put in a feature request for one, and if anyone else thinks this is a good idea, please put a feature request for one to CW.


 
I liked solo button idea but I have no time to wait for the official implementation. Fortunately it was super easy to do in Duckbar:


 
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/26 20:45:26 (permalink)
Panu, this is terrific.  Is it available in the new beta version, and if so, how to apply it?

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/26 21:20:57 (permalink)
I was just going to mention my only beef is the flyout seems to hinder my access to the solo button and / or adjoining tracks I want to A/B.
I love the Qc EQ and its user ability is nice, its just the fly out would be better suited to detach.
 
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/26 21:25:07 (permalink)
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Panu, this is terrific.  Is it available in the new beta version, and if so, how to apply it?




It's coming in the next update (end of this week).
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/26 21:30:04 (permalink)
I also added Reset button which resets frequencies, gains, LP, HP and mode settings to their defaults. I'm also planning QuadEQ presets available in the fly-out window (and in the normal module, too).  QuadEQ specific presets because I'd like to store some of my bread & butter EQ curves but ProChannel can load only whole strip presets.
 
Preset system for the other modules is easy to do if I can build it for QuadEQ.
 
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/27 21:26:18 (permalink)
I like the EQ and I use it.
It's not perfect, but it's touch enabled and quite useful.
I think it does a fine job of modifying the sound on the track. I doubt I could tell the difference between two different EQs from listening anyway.

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/03/27 21:42:55 (permalink)
I do like the Quad Curve butI find myself more and more using it to get my rough curves (I find G mode to be very musical) and then depending on the track use a different EQ to sculpt the sound. I really like the Pultec EQs that come with the Blue bundle. I use it all the time on acoustic guitar tracks. 

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/05/30 08:21:25 (permalink)
I may be a little late to the party, but I will also comment on the QuadCurve EQ in X3.  I absolutely appreciate the larger EQ window (fly-out) and layered spectrum analyzer. Ultimately, I think it is a much sought-after addition to the Sonar X series, and it should have been done long ago.  The fly-out technique is a different and cool approach to displaying more information. Very cool indeed! And it's a beautiful and clean interface.
 
However, I do find that the spectrum analyzer could have a little better response and/or accuracy.  Does anyone know if the response, FFT analysis block size, etc. can be tweaked via an .ini file or something else within X3's preferences or scripting files?
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/05/30 10:50:32 (permalink)
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Hey
 
Just wondering if anyone compared Sonars built-in QuadCurve EQ with 3rd part providers, such as Fabfilter, Nomad Factory, Waves etc. I can't really hear any difference but I've heard that EQs (free etc) often add noise, especially when adding gain to a digital EQ (like QuadCurve EQ). Any feedback would be appreciated:)



FWIW, the QuadCurve EQ is not free - it's a marquee X-series feature, and is part of the cost of Sonar. It's on a par with pretty much anything out there, but what made it my "go-to" EQ are the four available curves. They make a really big difference with some signal sources because they can model some of the desirable characteristics (interaction) of analog EQ.
 
I would like to see improvements in the spectrum analyzer - brightness control, peak/average switch, and hold. 

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/05/30 14:10:24 (permalink)
And let's not forget the solo button! Need need need!

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/05/31 20:10:34 (permalink)
With X1  I had some resistance to change and the EQ was what made me a ProCh convert.
It is as good as it gets now and I have little need to use any of the 3rd party EQs I have.
The quad curve EQ is less cpu hungry as well. 

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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/06/13 04:56:33 (permalink)
Still alive this thread is Yoda says;)
 
I often hear that the Waves SSL EQs are used for Master Bus and in Mastering. Also Pulsetec EQ-types.
I guess you can use the Quadcurve EQ as well...
 
However, is the Quadcurve EQ built upon some analog gear like the Console Emulator, Softtube Saturation Knob or the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor?
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Re: How "good" is Sonar X3s QuadCurve EQ compared to others? 2014/06/13 05:23:31 (permalink)
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I would like to see improvements in the spectrum analyzer - brightness control, peak/average switch, and hold. 




 
Amen to that, a peak hold would be amazing.

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