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How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
I am on the fence about upgrading. Part of me thinks I only want to do it because there is a larger version than what I have but I am not sure that there is anything there that I do not have something comparable to whats already there. As far as FX go (the instruments I have mostly anyway) what are they comparable to in the 3rd party world? Are they better than anything out there in the 3rd party world? I am mostly using T-Racks, The Focusrite Scarlett Bundle, Amplitube 3, Guitar Rig and and the stock fx in X1 studio. For me new fx offer variety but again I am not even sure what these fx are good for. As for the pro channel mixer how good is it? I have been using the Reason SSL mixer for 2 years and I really like it how diverse is this mixer compared to it?
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 01:22:50
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They are quality additions to the program. However don't let "not" having them hamper your writing and recording. If you already have even a basic effects bundle (compressor, reverb, and delay. etc) then you should be able to create fine to outstanding musical material. However if you do have the spare cash then by all means upgrade. The new goodies do play quite nicely within sonar X1D. Think of it as a different color option of paint for you mixing pallet. Some of us here are FX junkies and try to get all that we can in a never ending search for the High End tones for ourselves and our clients' use. We get the newest gizmo and then realize that what we already had serves it's purpose just fine. Just use your head and think rationally if you really need the newest stuff released. (I know I do, but I most likely have an addiction problem)
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 01:36:21
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Do you feel there is something you are currently lacking in your setup? If not, I doubt there is anything in producer that will overwhelm you. Don't get me wrong. I upgraded to expanded and I love the additions, but if I had a bunch of third party effects that served similar purpose, it might not feel wort it. i also think it depends on genre of music. The synths that accompany producer are good, but other than Z3ta, are not considered among the elite in their class. Not trying to be down on the synths. Some are very much underrated, but if you won something like Sanmpletank already, Dimension Pro alone is not worth it. If you own something like Massive, again, the only thing you will be gaining is variety. IMHO, if you are a satisfied with your setup, wait until the next ridiculously low upgrade offer or X2. This is coming from a person who uses X1d every day for professional use so don't consider this a bash. It just doesn't sound like you are in need at the moment.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
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To be honest it just bugged me,that studio,didn't have everything,and I was going to do the download upgrade,but my internet was way slow,and I found a cheeky character who sold me Producer at a slightly reduced price[and Im glad I had the CD's cause yesterday I had to reinstall]
To be honest,the difference is not huge,especially if you already use High Quality plugins,for example Studio[mine]was on 1 cd,Producer is 4cds,BUT,ALL of the program is on the first cd,just like Studio,cd 2 is "Beatscape-32bit never use it,cd 3 is "Dimension Pro" both 32/64 Awesome,use it whenever I can. cd 4 is the Demo Songs,and not a whole lot else[I'm guessing though]
If its like $99 to upgrade,totally go for it,if it's more well,you have to remember the Pro Channel modules are extra,but I could not live without the new PC2A,but if you have the I.K. LA2A version.....not a lot different,Pro Channel is basically a channel strip, EXACTLY the same as studio,except you can widen the channel strip and it becomes Pro Channel.
I actually wanted Producer for Session Drummer3,but now I don't touch it,except for the Andy Johns pack with the Steve Ferrone MIDI patterns,that I use in Steven Slate Drums 4[very good drums/cymbals-excellent]
Studio is still X1 in "nearly" every way really.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 03:38:56
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Thanks everyone it sounds like there isn't much in there I already do not have. I already have the IK multimedia workstations and T Racks with the black and white compressor singles. I have Reason 6 and about 50 gigs of refills, Komplete elements with a few kontakt libraries. Z3ta 2, Rapture, Dimension Pro, and Addictive drums. I just don't want to feel like I am missing out on anything. Probably from the plague of having too many options. I have been a long time Reason user now coming over to full time Sonar user and honestly there are just so many options that I feel like I am missing out on something great every day. Maybe its all in my head. Thanks guys.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 07:35:50
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I am on the fence about upgrading. Part of me thinks I only want to do it because there is a larger version than what I have but I am not sure that there is anything there that I do not have something comparable to whats already there. As far as FX go (the instruments I have mostly anyway) what are they comparable to in the 3rd party world? Are they better than anything out there in the 3rd party world? I am mostly using T-Racks, The Focusrite Scarlett Bundle, Amplitube 3, Guitar Rig and and the stock fx in X1 studio. For me new fx offer variety but again I am not even sure what these fx are good for. As for the pro channel mixer how good is it? I have been using the Reason SSL mixer for 2 years and I really like it how diverse is this mixer compared to it?
I don't know or care what else say but only PRO CHANNEL is worth the upgrade to PRODUCER Expanded Version. Its same quality as UAD2 plugins. The included UREI 1176, SSL 4000 BUS COMP + SSL G and E Channel in Pro Channel are even better sounding then SSL NATIVE DUENDE plugins. Better and more flexible mixing and all comes in LOW CPU in use too. If you are an Professional User/Producer and MIXING engineer there are no brainer. With add-ons of SSL comp / gate Expander and new LA2 that sounds better then UAD LA2 version, what are you waiting on?
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 08:49:19
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Aside from PC and the additional modules available for it - which are worth it IMHO - two Producer extras that come to mind that you may appreciate are FX Chains 2.0 and the replace synth option.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 08:57:38
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I have Studio version and I have no regrets at all. I think it's all relevant.
There is already enough to get on with within X1 and my thinking is that even with TTS - 1 it can be used in a song. But then again a cup with money jingling away can be used in a song too.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 10:55:08
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What makes X1 Producer different from just about any other DAW is Pro Channel.
X1 Studio is a great DAW but its no different from other great DAWs.
Once you get X1 Producer you will know why it is so much better.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 11:19:46
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@Freddie I am not an engineer I am a keyboardist/producer. I mix just enough to sell songs to singers and then let a real engineer mix them right. For me its more about creative applications, tone, and getting my drums to punch right. @John I am looking for more on it before I buy however.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 11:58:07
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@Freddie I am not an engineer I am a keyboardist/producer. I mix just enough to sell songs to singers and then let a real engineer mix them right. For me its more about creative applications, tone, and getting my drums to punch right. @John I am looking for more on it before I buy however.
Well you get a lot of stuff with Producer. Here is a chart for Comparison. Aside from PC you also get all the plugins that Producer has plus the full version of Dimension Pro with some add on libraries. Not to mention SD 3. As a cost benefit analysis you get much more for the upgrade price than one would think. You loose nothing and gain a lot.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 11:58:24
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@Freddie I am not an engineer I am a keyboardist/producer. I mix just enough to sell songs to singers and then let a real engineer mix them right. For me its more about creative applications, tone, and getting my drums to punch right. @John I am looking for more on it before I buy however.
Okay!  The nice plugins you have work for make pre-productions demo but if you want it to sound even better go for PRODUCER or PRODUCER Expanded version. It will make your mixing to a completely new level. Pro Channel will replace your daily Track-EQ and COMP. PRO CHANNEL will be you first choice on anything... 
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 12:15:50
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@John I already have the full version of Dimension Pro and Addictive drums. I've looked at that chart a few times. I am really asking how does it compare to the other stuff I have like T-Racks. I have all of the Cakewalk synths already except Amber True Piano and Session Drummer. I have some great pianos else where though. Which is why I am asking. From the sounds of it I am getting a lot of the same stuff which is fine if its of higher quality. @Freddie The pro channel will replace the T-Racks EQ and compressors? Hmm that sounds pretty impressive. Why so? Does it sound that much better than 3rd party stuff? Are all the Producer Plug ins in the demo?
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 12:27:17
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@John I already have the full version of Dimension Pro and Addictive drums. I've looked at that chart a few times. I am really asking how does it compare to the other stuff I have like T-Racks. I have all of the Cakewalk synths already except Amber True Piano and Session Drummer. I have some great pianos else where though. Which is why I am asking. From the sounds of it I am getting a lot of the same stuff which is fine if its of higher quality. @Freddie The pro channel will replace the T-Racks EQ and compressors? Hmm that sounds pretty impressive. Why so? Does it sound that much better than 3rd party stuff? Are all the Producer Plug ins in the demo?
Its up to you. You asked for what is so different and we have given you some answers. As to PC and its sound, it is that good. You should read the posts of how good it sounds. Can it replace a plugin you have now? Only you can know that. Ask yourself how much have you paid for all that third party stuff and that you could have gotten Dim Pro free.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 12:30:16
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As pointed out, the only reason a person in your shoes would upgrade is pro channel. You are missing nothing with Session Drummer 3. It's not terrible, but I have yet to hear anyone with a decent third party drum program claim they ditched it because SSD3 was so awesome. Perhaps watch some of the videos that make extensive use of pro channel like the recent webinar. This may give you a better idea as to whether it will improve your workflow enough to make the upgrade at full price worth it.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 15:30:32
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I think I will watch some more videos perhaps. Where can I find them? I usually look on YouTube for this kind of thing but there is not a lot of current content on YouTube for Cakewalk anything outside of commercials. Maybe I'll make some new content because I honestly dislike that there isn't much new stuff out there about it. I think Sonar would be a lot more popular if there were more people actually talking about it.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 16:25:32
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I typically don't use soft synths, so can't really comment on Dimension Pro vs. others, however regarding your question of extras included within Producer Expanded - as others have highlighted - the main functionality difference (excluding Dimension Pro) is the Pro Channel and its' associated plugins.
The ProChannel plugins are good, particulary given your explanation of only needing to do decent mixes - the ProChannel plugs are more than sufficient for this. However, if you already have concrete / brickwall limiter, compressor, EQ and tube saturation plugins that meet your needs from other vendors, I don't believe these will make you abandon what you've already got. However it may make you think twice before paying a vendor for those plugins. I currently own a UAD card and the ProChannel plugins are more than good enough for my use (I'm just a hobbyist). I find myself rarely using my UAD for compression or EQ - I like the ProChannel being built right into every mixing console channel - it's really easy to use. You may want to compare costs of upgrading vs. costs of maintaining your current set of soft synths and plugins from other vendors - that may help drive the decision, as I think pure sound quality on its' own, will not be a decisive factor in the decision.
Hope that helps.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 16:25:37
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Replace synth is a massive saver for me personally. Once you upgrade you wont look back, PC makes things easier work flow wise, its not perfect (and I mean in terms of the routing options, the whole PC is either pre or post fx bin) but I'm sure cake will work on a solution for that!, since theres enough people that want the option :-)
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2012/04/10 16:53:04
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Thanks I will check these vids out
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/10 17:15:32
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I would just upgrade if I was you - Im sure you wont regret it. It will se you up for the future in general with Sonar too, which is looking good  Lance
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/11 03:33:03
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Replace synth is a massive saver for me personally. Once you upgrade you wont look back, PC makes things easier work flow wise, its not perfect (and I mean in terms of the routing options, the whole PC is either pre or post fx bin) but I'm sure cake will work on a solution for that!, since theres enough people that want the option :-)
I didn't realise "Replace Synth" was not in the Studio updates,that one, plus Pro Channel,if its a $99 Upgrade FOR YOU[xabiton],is a bargain,replace synth saves tons of time[well it seems to]as you don't have to reinsert etc etc-brilliant one,that one. Honestly,Pro Channel doesn't have a sound[in my way of thinking]......... like I said,its EXACTLY the same channel strip as Studio,except,you can widen it,and it is now a channel strip with integrated tools or plugins,the Quad EQ is a big deal,that is not in the chain in Studio,and when you narrow it again you still can see[and adjust-kinda],the EQ's plot. A couple of the modules,do seem a little superfluous at times,and then other times,it's like how did I live without this[PC2A],which you already have really with the I.K. Sometimes I wish I could integrate my favourite plug bundle,-the D.C. V.I.P's,22 excellent tools,that was really all I needed,with the PC Expanded,PC 1176/4K,and all flavours of the PC EQ,and the PC2A. I haven't experimented with the new FX chains modularity,but that is possibly another biggie? SD3,is underwhelming compared to dedicated drum software[Iv'e never used Addictive though] One thing I REALLY like about X1"D" is the new listing of "What is actually 32bit,and what's 64",when you go to the "Audio Effects/Synths" Drop down menus,Some Third party plugs,as well as a few in X1,that I thought were 64,are now in fact listed as 32![Perfect Space,ALL flavours of Amplitube-now works in 64bit,BUT IS ACTUALLY STILL 32!!] I didn't realise that "Bitbridge",was getting as much of a workout,as it is! So if its the cost of $99,it's a total no brainer,$199,and Id be tempted to go with Ozone 5,but maybe not[though I trialled Ozone 4....bloody amazing,and I definitely want Ozone 5!] Good Luck,it's good to learn of more people earning money with Sonar. Bob.
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/11 04:11:43
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The upgrade for me would be $200 which is why I am asking. I can do a lot with $200 other than buy plug ins that overlap each other
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/11 04:21:50
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Replace synth is a massive saver for me personally.
The fact that 'Replace Synth' is exclusive to Producer Expanded is a massive shame IMO. Users shouldn't need to upgrade their version to gain such an example of basic everyday functionality. I hope and believe that this "feature" will be added to all SONAR versions from X2 on...
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/11 04:33:19
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@John I already have the full version of Dimension Pro and Addictive drums. I've looked at that chart a few times. I am really asking how does it compare to the other stuff I have like T-Racks. I have all of the Cakewalk synths already except Amber True Piano and Session Drummer. I have some great pianos else where though. Which is why I am asking. From the sounds of it I am getting a lot of the same stuff which is fine if its of higher quality. @Freddie The pro channel will replace the T-Racks EQ and compressors? Hmm that sounds pretty impressive. Why so? Does it sound that much better than 3rd party stuff? Are all the Producer Plug ins in the demo?
I'm not so impressed by T-Racks. The Fairlight compressor, new BLACK and WHITE sounds good. PRO CHANNELs EQ and rest of the expanded plugins runs over T-Racks any day. The new PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier sounds silky and smooth. Better then UAD LA2 or IK White. If you really want to talk about great 3part plugins then Nomad Factory is the way go. I have the whole Integral Studio Pack + BBE plugins. That's great plugins! Nomad Factory make IMHO the best plugins out there. Love the Blue-TUBE Series and the Fairlight compressor, every plugins sounds great! You should check it out! http://www.nomadfactory.com/   
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2012/04/11 06:44:06
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Oh Freddie man............I just demo'ed the N.F. Pulse-Tec EQ,This thing is Sublime.........being a not so experienced recording Engineer[laugh, splutter, what!] SO This is what a Pultec MEQ was kinda like...plugins are the new drugs,without fail.
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bobguitkillerleft
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Re:How great are the add ons coming from Sonar X1 studio to X1 Producer?
2012/04/11 10:34:15
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Nomad Factory,yet another very good plugin co. Cheers Bob
post edited by bobguitkillerleft - 2012/04/12 21:03:29
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