The Maillard Reaction
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31918
- Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20
- Status: offline
How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
This should be simple.
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 16:20:19
(permalink)
Simple enough for you to explain?
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 16:27:09
(permalink)
I feel an award coming on....
|
Philip
Max Output Level: -34.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4062
- Joined: 2007/03/21 13:09:13
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 16:54:15
(permalink)
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 16:55:19
(permalink)
This is the man that has been known to complain about the decline of serious and reasoned discussion here.
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 17:13:35
(permalink)
Ah, I've got it!
For the last 40 years Mike has been able to educate us all on the subject.
Before then everyone was just shooting in the dark.
Yellow helpful banner thingy for me I think.
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Kalle Rantaaho
Max Output Level: -5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7005
- Joined: 2006/01/09 13:07:59
- Location: Finland
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 17:31:35
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
... I'll dive:
They've gotten better, sort of more technical.... except for the few ones which have not.
Or then again...it could be only the engineers have gotten better ... or no, not really...
the ones in the olden days were not that good ... eeehhh ...
SONAR PE 8.5.3, Asus P5B, 2,4 Ghz Dual Core, 4 Gb RAM, GF 7300, EMU 1820, Bluetube Pre - Kontakt4, Ozone, Addictive Drums, PSP Mixpack2, Melda Creative Pack, Melodyne Plugin etc. The benefit of being a middle aged amateur is the low number of years of frustration ahead of you.
|
jamesg1213
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 21760
- Joined: 2006/04/18 14:42:48
- Location: SW Scotland
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 17:35:30
(permalink)
They've improved in exactly the same way that any other technique has, with the benefit of 4 decades of progress.
Jyemz Thrombold's Patented Brisk Weather Pantaloonettes with Inclementometer
|
mtgonzalez
Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
- Total Posts : 249
- Joined: 2009/03/16 19:29:43
- Location: Mission Viejo, CA
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 18:05:29
(permalink)
less cables, as I'm finding out by trying to integrate outboard gear with my DAW
Win 10 - 64-bit - Intel Core I5 3.3GHz 1TB HD 500 GB SSD - 8GB Ram - 7200RPM X3 Producer & Sonar Platinum www.mtgrecordingstudio.com
|
trimph1
Max Output Level: -12 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6348
- Joined: 2010/09/07 19:20:06
- Location: London ON
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 18:38:05
(permalink)
Someone wants to open cans of worms I guess...
I think it has improved somewhat..at least in terms of what is actually available.
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 19:01:26
(permalink)
I think the biggest improvement is that levels can be set before a take without a need to ride the fader to get an optimum signal. It makes 'technique' less of a requirment though so you're less likely to find a knob at the desk that is going to wreck your take with his 'prowess'. He can then flex his need to feel as important as the performer with a clone of the take after it's been captured and still keep the levels where they sound good with even more precision than he could have done by hand by the use of envelopes. That's definitely an improvement.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/05/18 19:23:40
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
ohgrant
Max Output Level: -35.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3966
- Joined: 2007/03/27 22:53:01
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 19:10:04
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
What was affordable for the consumer 40 years ago?  Accessibility for one thing I would say.
|
michaelhanson
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3529
- Joined: 2008/10/31 15:19:56
- Location: Mesquite, Texas
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 19:31:07
(permalink)
Tape was much easier to cut and splice than these DAW's of today. 
post edited by MakeShift - 2012/05/19 08:31:22
|
Rimshot
Max Output Level: -29 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4625
- Joined: 2010/12/09 12:51:08
- Location: California
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 19:34:43
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
1. Don't need razor blades anymore.
2. Don't need to clean the heads.
3. Don't have to worry about tape shreading.
4. Don't have to worry about noise level.
5. Can replace any drum sound or beat at will.
6. Don't need cassetes.
7. Don't need large consoles.
8. I don't think alot of mic techniques have change.
9. Songwriters may be much more involved in engineering (at least their own demos).
There's a quick stab for you.
Rimshot
Rimshot Sonar Platinum 64 (Lifer), Studio One V3.5, Notion 6, Steinberg UR44, Zoom R24, Purrrfect Audio Pro Studio DAW (Case: Silent Mid Tower, Power Supply: 600w quiet, Haswell CPU: i7 4790k @ 4.4GHz (8 threads), RAM: 16GB DDR3/1600 , OS drive: 1TB HD, Audio drive: 1TB HD), Windows 10 x64 Anniversary, Equator D5 monitors, Faderport, FP8, Akai MPK261
|
The Maillard Reaction
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 31918
- Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 19:48:44
(permalink)
I guess I think that automated mixes and the ability to surgically edit out noises and flubs are fairly significant advancements.
I'm guessing instant playback may be helpful to the creative process too.
best regards,
mike
|
timidi
Max Output Level: -21 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5449
- Joined: 2006/04/11 12:55:15
- Location: SE Florida
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 20:33:19
(permalink)
It seems technical advances in recording techniques have matched the degradation of talent conversely.
Wonder if they're related.
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 20:39:12
(permalink)
timidi
It seems technical advances in recording techniques have matched the degradation of talent conversely.
Wonder if they're related.
Nah, that's a myth brought on by middle age people that get stuck in an era related perception of what talent 'should' sound like. I remember my Dad demonstrating that idea to me at one time. Mike is still good at being last generation in this one, there's talent in that, traditional in a way too.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/05/18 20:47:18
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
trimph1
Max Output Level: -12 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6348
- Joined: 2010/09/07 19:20:06
- Location: London ON
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 20:46:17
(permalink)
I attribute it to "Old Curmudgeon Syndrome"
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 20:48:25
(permalink)
trimph1
I attribute it to "Old Curmudgeon Syndrome"
Once you learn you have it then it can be dealt with, sadly not before.... 
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
timidi
Max Output Level: -21 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5449
- Joined: 2006/04/11 12:55:15
- Location: SE Florida
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 20:49:29
(permalink)
Nah, that's a myth brought on by middle age people that get stuck in an era related perception of what talent 'should' sound like. I remember my Dad demonstrating that idea to me at one time. I often ponder this. I just think that today's yoots are lazy. What did your dad demonstrate?
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 20:50:52
(permalink)
Without wishing to be egocentric, I think mike is - ineptly as usual - pitching at a point I made in another thread. If so, I'll save us all some time and point out that I said *mixing* has changed. My own view about *recording* is that it's not changed significantly since the late forties. If mike's posted this thread for some other reason than his usual clueless trolling, then please forgive me for not picking up on his intent. If however it is what I suspect it to be, then may e some of his friends could advise him to at least finish reading what he's reading before he starts swinging his dick around.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 20:51:57
(permalink)
mike_mccue
I guess I think that automated mixes and the ability to surgically edit out noises and flubs are fairly significant advancements.
I'm guessing instant playback may be helpful to the creative process too.
best regards,
mike
Engineers don't guess.
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 20:56:24
(permalink)
@ John_T
I have tried advising him Mr_T but he doesn't seem to hear.
I'm starting to think you've been right all along. It's kinda sad really, the more I notice the less I find.
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 21:07:36
(permalink)
timidi
Nah, that's a myth brought on by middle age people that get stuck in an era related perception of what talent 'should' sound like. I remember my Dad demonstrating that idea to me at one time.
I often ponder this.
I just think that today's yoots are lazy. What did your dad demonstrate?
I don't think youths are lazy, although there maybe a greater proportion of laziness on a societal level. I also know some incredibly talented young musicians, arrangers and producer that smoke me by a wide margin. My Dad demonstrated that you could dismiss an entire generation because you didn't dig their thing. I made a career out of trying to prove him wrong... I'm not sure I succeeded but he did hate the fact I was capable of earning more than him just for being a long-haired layabout bum...
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 21:08:05
(permalink)
Hmm. Well, I'm not campaigning for a consensus here, let me say that at least.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 21:10:24
(permalink)
In the interest of finding common ground, not based on slagging anyone else off, I agree entirely with your "should" point you make above.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
trimph1
Max Output Level: -12 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6348
- Joined: 2010/09/07 19:20:06
- Location: London ON
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 21:11:47
(permalink)
I think the issue seems more that one can do so much more with what is available but we seem to think only in terms of pop music ... which has never been anything but teeniebopper stuff really. As for the other issue..well..he does leave a fair amount of cans of worms around...
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 21:12:03
(permalink)
John T
Hmm. Well, I'm not campaigning for a consensus here, let me say that at least.
No I didn't think you were. That would have meant an assumption that I believe there was something pendulous enough to swing in the first place. I do agree with your view that recording can't change that much though as there is only so much you can do with the elements of a mic/pick up and a sound source except to change the position of one or the other. That aspect has remained constant.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/05/18 21:16:35
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
trimph1
Max Output Level: -12 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6348
- Joined: 2010/09/07 19:20:06
- Location: London ON
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 21:13:46
(permalink)
soundsource>different type of mic, maybe? Contact mics?
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:How have recording techniques improved in the past 40 years?
2012/05/18 21:13:54
(permalink)
The idea that an entire generation can be written off as collectively and fundamentally more lazy than prior generations strikes me as, to put it politely as possible, absurd.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|