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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/01 17:12:55 (permalink)
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/05 22:34:26 (permalink)
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I qualify as a "PO'd" customer. My support issue is not a "how to" issue, it is a paid, registered product expiring in 30 day trial mode - and not recognizing the "Registration code".
 
Cakewalk is no "cakewalk". It is complex and un-intuitive, and I am sure they have been flooded with how-to issues.
 
I have a serious "product fit for its purpose" issue. In other words - does it even work?
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/06 12:52:42 (permalink)
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I qualify as a "PO'd" customer. My support issue is not a "how to" issue, it is a paid, registered product expiring in 30 day trial mode - and not recognizing the "Registration code".
 
Cakewalk is no "cakewalk". It is complex and un-intuitive, and I am sure they have been flooded with how-to issues.
 
I have a serious "product fit for its purpose" issue. In other words - does it even work?


If I were in your shoes, I would do a full uninstall of the Trial, clean, reboot, and install the full version downloaded through Command Center or in the CW store. Assuming the activation code is indeed good, I would imagine that would be what they'd recommend to try first.
 
Not everyone should have this issue, but perhaps there's some that do. Back up your projects as .cwb files (Cakewalk Bundle) before you re-install.

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/06 14:17:56 (permalink)
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Actually, I never had a trial version. I had Sonar LE, then upgraded to Artist. My SOLE purpose for Sonar is to bring in MIDI tracks, mix them correctly and output them as MP3s.
 
Cakewalk itself works but the MP3 encoder gives me a message that it "must be unlocked before use", I had heard it would work for 30 days but it never did. I immediately bought the encoder and installed but it still errors out with the message. Coincidentally, my trusty old OWENC encoder stopped working right after I installed the Cakewalk app. Now I have to export as wav, then use Windows Media Player convert the wav
 
So basically, if I can't use it for my intended purpose, it doesn't work for me ,-[
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/06 14:30:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcmike 2016/10/06 22:12:18
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It is my understanding Cakewalk stopped including trial versions of the mp3 encoder prior to release of Platinum/Professional/Artist. If the product you purchased does not work, it is likely the wrong product. I explain the difference between the two mp3 items in the Cakewalk store here http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3469125. As I mentioned after your initial post, appending to general complaint threads like this one is not as effective as creating your own thread in the Cakewalk Store area with a clear explanation of your problem. Buying the wrong mp3 product happens often enough, Cakewalk support is pretty good about adding the correct product to your account when they receive an email asking them to do so. At least that is what I have seen from other threads about this issue.
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/06 15:33:13 (permalink)
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OK, thanks for your help. I tracked down "Cleverbridge" and got a refund and will now hunt for the right encoder version.
 
Also, Cakewalk could do a better job of letting us know what is included in the purchase and what is ala carte. I am referring to various instrument modules.....Like
  1. Your product includes
  2. Optional modules and pricing

 

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/06 17:18:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcmike 2016/10/06 22:19:50
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This is about the closest thing I'm aware of:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions#start
 

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/06 21:52:59 (permalink)
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RE: appending to general complaint threads like this one is not as effective as creating your own thread 
 
Actually, I commented on your other post that it did solve the problem. You included a link which I used to buy the right MP3 solution, and it is working now
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/06 22:13:32 (permalink)
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Steve C - Although I have been in multitrack studios since the mid 60's I never got serious into home recordings. Cakewalk Artist is way more then I will ever utilize. I always preferred to stay on the other side of the glass from the engineer.
 
Still writing and recording though, in my late 60's. Here's one recorded 4 years ago when I was 65 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zB13t1V1TE
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/07 15:08:52 (permalink)
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Steve C - Although I have been in multitrack studios since the mid 60's I never got serious into home recordings. Cakewalk Artist is way more then I will ever utilize. I always preferred to stay on the other side of the glass from the engineer.
 
Still writing and recording though, in my late 60's. Here's one recorded 4 years ago when I was 65 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zB13t1V1TE




Hi Mike,
Glad to see you were able to work out the MP3 encoder issue!   
 
Just had a listen to I'm On The Run - good stuff. I very much enjoyed it.  I play part-time in a blues band where I'm the youngest at 54, so I completely get it.  Though I don't often hear blues with a percussion section.   You've got some good material, so I would highly recommend re-posting over in the Songs forum: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Songs-f89.aspx
 

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/26 11:22:47 (permalink)
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One last question if possible - I payed for the Studio Instruments module but I get a trial expired notice on the bass - not on the drums. Haven't tried the others. Did I buy the package or is it one instrument at a time?
 
See the image below - the serial number box is inactive and my registration code returns an invalid message
 
 
 
RE: "don't often hear blues with a percussion section"
I lived in Miami in the 70's. By the way, that conga player is Gumbi Ortiz from Al Di Meola's band!
 
 

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/26 11:57:27 (permalink)
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AFAIK, the product was sold as a collection of 4 instruments: Bass, Drums, Piano and Strings. It may require running the host as administrator to register the plug-ins.
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/10/26 14:44:48 (permalink)
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scook - very insightful!! I went into task manager and switched users. I got no dialog box at all for the bass module this time.
 
Don't know if I'll have to switch users each time I use it - but for now, all my issues are cleared up, Thanx!
 
UPDATE on above question - yes, it only worked in admin mode
post edited by dcmike - 2016/11/20 10:08:07
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/14 05:29:32 (permalink)
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I'm one. You can spend hours trying to find an answer but if it is not there you are stuck. The only recourse is to a direct 'phone/e-mail contact, but they don't want to give this support. They have learnt that the free-support given between users saves them a lot of money. If, like some of the respondents already state, we go elsewhere that is considered 'acceptable wastage' and not relevant. It is not only Cakewalk that deliberately avoids direct contact; other brands in this support-necessary sector do the same.
 
Has anyone from Cakewalk ever entered these discussions?
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/14 05:48:22 (permalink)
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cakewalk people have entered a lot of discussions. discussions like these ones? i think they would have here and there when it was appropriate, not really keeping score. yes the official support was in a bad way for a while, far to long, but that appears to be behind them now for the most part. as to the forums and cakewalk seemingly relying on that and saving money, well i guess that could have some truth to it, but one thing about these forums is that it is a good place for users to get help, albeit unofficial help, but none the less effective help in all areas where it can be. obviously there are certain areas where the 'unofficial' help is less effective, like purchasing/store issues, perhaps authorization issues and stuff like that that require cakewalks direct involvement, and they have responded here in a lot of these cases and one must assume even more so behind what we see here. i don't see a problem if they did in fact 'rely' on the help supplied by users here on the forums, there are many very knowledgeable people here who seem to have no issue helping other users, there is a smallish group of regulars who just never seem to run out of steam with regards to giving help to other users, more power to them.
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/20 09:58:35 (permalink)
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It appears to me, my problems all stem from an online install. Judging by comments from Cakewalk techs, "Command Center" installs appear to rely on a Windows 10 environment, and most of what's new under the hood there is online stuff (including spyware). I won't migrate to Win 10 till I absolutely have to.
 
I think the thing to do now is request a disc, uninstall and re-install from that disc. I had no problem installing Sonar LE from a disc. The problems started when I upgraded to Artist and installed from the "Command Center". 


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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/20 10:26:15 (permalink)
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Has anyone from Cakewalk ever entered these discussions?



here's the official thingy http://forum.cakewalk.com/Cakewalk-Support-Update-m3428520.aspx

just a sec

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/20 10:30:27 (permalink)
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It is not only Cakewalk that deliberately avoids direct contact; other brands in this support-necessary sector do the same. Has anyone from Cakewalk ever entered these discussions?



I understand the problems with support on this kind of product. I have 22 years on computers and find Cakewalk to be no "cakewalk" at all. A musician, newbie to computers, would be calling every day for how-to's.

They do need to respond to install problems though, and possibly provide ala carte paid support. Believe it or not, I finally got a response from email support. Also, they shouldn't rely on everyone having the latest Windows version. After mega-dogs like Vista and Win 8, smart users are holding out on potentially disastrous upgrades. 
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/21 16:57:51 (permalink)
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FWIW, I've been successfully running SPLAT on Win7 from day one, with Command Center.  So Win10 is absolutely not a requirement.   My hunch would be that any issues are less likely related to CCC and more likely the Microsoft c++ re-distributables installed/required by SPLAT.    But that's just a guess of course. 
 

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/21 19:36:05 (permalink)
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I just reverted my computer (via Ghost) and installed the original Sonar LE FROM A DISC - without issue (again). I then tried (again) to upgrade to my licensed Artist version and hit a recurring snag.
  • I initially got LE with a hardware purchase
  • the problems started with the online upgrade
I'm not a power user. I just wanted to convert MIDI to MP3. I probably could have gotten by with LE, the Studio Instruments package and the MP3 encoder. My issue appears to be online install issues. 
 
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/22 20:45:51 (permalink)
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Cakewalk techs seem to imply the latest version of Sonar is optimized for Windows 10 users - when, in fact, most people DON'T use Win 10.

The Cakewalk techs are referring to Win 7 like some ancient OS, when it is actually currently in use by HALF of all desktop computer users. Win 10 is only a 22% market share -- and that is mostly due to new computer sales.
 

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/22 21:35:11 (permalink)
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nice pie chart, though I wonder if it really reflects the average percentage of windows audio software users . . . probably more likely an average of consumer and corporate users.

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/22 22:03:30 (permalink)
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It is an overall market share chart from Oct 2016. Microsoft is desperate to shove spyware laden Win 10 down our throats, but experienced users are sticking with Win 7.

I would hazard a guess, the majority of Cakewalk users didn't buy a new computer just to install Sonar! Expecting that would be pretty presumtuous on Cakewalk's part.

If install problems persist with (majority user) Win 7,  Cakewalk should offer a legacy version option.

Windows 7 holdouts: Why diehard users refuse to move to Windows 10
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2952888/windows/windows-7-holdouts-why-diehard-users-refuse-to-move-to-windows-10.html
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/22 22:16:07 (permalink)
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If you are curious about the OS usage based on data collected from the SONAR analytics module see  http://static.cakewalk.com/cakewalk/products/sonar/release_notes/Welcome_to_the_SONAR_2016.09_Update.pdf
 
 
Still there are plenty of Win7 users running the current version of SONAR.
 
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/22 22:30:21 (permalink)
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hey dcmike, don't know about "spyware laden Win 10" . . . though I do think you may be referring to the over abundance of privacy issues in win 10. It's unfortunate that you have to be a very experienced computer user to actually find it, and  turn it all off, and run 3rd party software to keep it off !
For the average computer user, good luck.
 
As far as win 10 audio goes, there was initially a great deal of optimism that win 10 had made some significant audio enhancements, however subtle they may be, and I have noticed an improvement in audio performance with Sonar Platinum running on windows 10.
 
Cakewalk will just keep supporting windows 7 enough, as long as the majority of their users have it, but it's just a matter of time until hardware requirements, and all the amazing new shiny things are only possible on the newer (and windows updated) MS operating system.

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/22 22:43:13 (permalink)
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Cakewalk will just keep supporting windows 7 enough, as long as the majority of their users have it,

That is just it, the majority users running the new SONAR do NOT use Win7. In fact Win10 64bit is the most used OS. From the data Cakewalk has collected, those using the new SONAR run Win10 64bit 3 to 1 over Win7 64bit.
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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/22 22:49:00 (permalink)
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Thanks scook for the info, I suspected this was the case from all of the discussions and threads of forum members doing the win 10 update earlier this year, and the analytics appear to back that up.

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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/11/22 23:52:12 (permalink)
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I actually had Sonar running in Win 7. However, on a needed reinstall - it does not. All tech help tips have redundantly referred to updating Win 7 - which I did, or getting Win 10, which I won't do.
 
"Error 3 means "path not found". It's because the DLL or OCX is missing, or a dependency is missing. Most likely, the setup program was unable to write one of the files. This can be caused by having a file in use, or insufficient Windows permissions."
 
When Cakewalk install has finished loading files and gets to registering files, it is looking for c:\Program Files(x86\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\CW120Auto.dll - which isn't there. There is, however, a cw90auto.dll.
 
Getting a copy of CW120Auto.dll and dropping it in place, could theoretically fix the install
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Thanks scook for the info, I suspected this was the case from all of the discussions and threads of forum members doing the win 10 update earlier this year, and the analytics appear to back that up.




Not to pick nits, but ... from the analytics article
 


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Re: How many out there are REALLY disappointed with the new (no) support system? 2016/12/03 11:26:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Kev999 2016/12/03 17:52:17
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Never used phone support.  Have you ever used phone support for cubase, protools, Logic?
 
I would wager very few have and of those very few were happy with it.  Phone support for software in general is a "premium" service.  The kind you get for most software comes in two forms. One is the crappy overseas microsoft / Dell kind.  The other is the super small one person in the entire company knows the code kind.  I don't know what your expectations are for phone support for software. I have worked in software and IT for 20 years and its my opinion that everyone make sure they are keeping expectations in touch with the market. The market as it IS and not the market as it should be. 
 
Software support for most OTS and online delivered software is usually not done by phone and when it is , it sucks.

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