Noisy Neighbour
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How much does size really matter ?
a question to the more experienced out there ...would it be basically possible to achieve good, "transportable" mixes in a room sized about 11x7 feet ? Proper room-tuning, bass-trapping, absorbing, diffusing ect... plus the appropriate nearfieldmonitors provided of course. ...or can I forget about the idea rightaway and spend time, money and energie more efficient? (e.g. looking for a new location) I'm only talking acoustics, not techniques... Some serious advise would be highly appreciated here! Thanks in advance! Daniel
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Danny Danzi
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/20 11:38:44
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Noisy Neighbour a question to the more experienced out there ...would it be basically possible to achieve good, "transportable" mixes in a room sized about 11x7 feet ? Proper room-tuning, bass-trapping, absorbing, diffusing ect... plus the appropriate nearfieldmonitors provided of course. ...or can I forget about the idea rightaway and spend time, money and energie more efficient? (e.g. looking for a new location) I'm only talking acoustics, not techniques... Some serious advise would be highly appreciated here! Thanks in advance! Daniel Most definitely, Daniel. The Auralex guys will give you advice for free based on filling out their form here: http://www.auralex.com/praf/default.asp I've had excellent results in room sizes like you mention using just a good set of nearfields and ARC room correction from IK Multimedia. Add in some stuff from Auralex and you should be in good shape for a fair price. I have 2 real studio's that I own plus a little home studio in my house. The real rooms were made to be control rooms using proper specs, so they have all the right stuff and are large. The little one in my home is 12x12, has NO foam or room correction other than ARC and is loaded up with gear that looks like a music store. Guitars hanging off the walls, sliding glass door, big screen TV, drum kit and of course not the best situation. However, with just ARC alone and good monitors, everything I do in the little 12x12 room translates perfectly in my car as well as the big control rooms in my other studios. 12x12 isn't that far off from your 11x7...add in all the junk I have in here plus the glass and everything else being...well...wrong...lol...and my room isn't ideal either. But it sure does work great and I've had no problems. Good luck in whatever you decide. :) -Danny
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Noisy Neighbour
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/20 12:46:08
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Thanks, Danny ! So there is hope at last. I was trying to avoid costs for room correction software (ARC), before I tune the room as good as possible, knowing it's worth it in the first place, but I think I'll go for it. Room is hard to find here in Amsterdam ($). Thanks again for sharing your experience! Daniel
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/20 13:11:35
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I would think your room would work pretty well if you have the desk facing one of the short walls. A rectangular room like yours, from what I understand, works better than a square room like my 10x10.
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Noisy Neighbour
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/20 17:59:53
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...that's what I thouhgt, Mark. PLus it would be the only room in my flat where I wouldn't here the neighbours bass-woofer. Silence is half the ticket ;) Daniel
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/20 20:08:22
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I would answer a simple YES.... to the topic question and the one in the OP as well.
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/20 20:29:06
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In a space that sized, most of the prevailing advice would be to use as many bass traps as you can afford.
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Noisy Neighbour
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/21 18:08:30
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...back on the forum after a hard day at the office... I'm busy calculating costs at the moment (bying or building absorbers and basstraps) which also brings me to the montoring situation. I'm mixing on a pair of Yamaha HS 50 M at the moment in my bigger living room (frontside is two large windows, if i would put absorbers there, ...no more daylight) The Yamaha HS 50 M have backfirering basswoofers, where I could imagine in a small room frontfirering basswoofers(KRK-type) would help, since the speakers would need to be quite close to the wall... is that right or wrong thinking? thanks for all of your advices so far... Daniel
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/22 06:56:47
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The Yamaha HS 50 M have backfirering basswoofers, where I could imagine in a small room frontfirering basswoofers(KRK-type) would help, since the speakers would need to be quite close to the wall... is that right or wrong thinking? As far as my understanding of this subject, then yes, you're right. (I take it by back-firing sub-woofer you mean they're rear-ported yes?) Any sort of porting system will introduce an element of distortion, and the amount will always be a trade-off between the distortion and the amount of LF extension the system produces. The moral is, if your budget allows, go for a pair of nearfields with a decent sized LF driver and eliminate the ports from the equation. If this isn't an option, then you need to get the rear-ported cabs as far away from the rear wall as possible - we're talking feet here, not inches!
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/22 11:49:45
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Daniel, you might try experimentally blocking the ports on the Yamahas. Sounds like a weird suggestion, but the only downside is losing a little low-end response, which you can afford. I used to have a pair of nearfields that featured two ports on each speaker. The manufacturer suggested blocking one of the two ports to smooth bass response. I tried it, and sure enough it worked. I tried it with both socks and acoustical foam - the socks worked better. Heavy wool socks were best. I suggest you wash the socks first.
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Noisy Neighbour
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/22 16:48:33
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...the speakers 4-5 feet away from the frontwall would be ideal, but that would mean, my listening position would then be almost in the middle of the room, which is probably the worsed. From what I learned so far, that should always be in the the first third of the room. That's why I was actually aiming for my smaller room solution with front-ported bass (-xcuse my clumsy English here and there, Bristol_Jonesy!-) closer to the wall. I tried the socky-thing for curiosity (good thing I did all my washing yesterday, thanks for the tip, Bitflipper!:) but with the (un)setup how it is at the moment, my biggest problem is a dip in the bass frequenties (if not cancellation). I just can't define what the bass is doing, with the famous result, if I play a mix somewhere else: S w a m p. so I will start working on room acoustics first, with extra attention to basstrapping as Middleman mentioned. thanx to all of you, this will help to circle in the right desicion! Daniel
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Re:How much does size really matter ?
2011/11/22 18:32:27
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It's all a compromise unless you can build a room from scratch. My listening position is also too close to the center of the room, but that's still better than having the speakers next to the wall. That's because my middle-of-the-room problems are caused by room resonances. I can measure and predict which specific frequencies are going to give me trouble, whereas bass buildup between speakers and wall is broad-spectrum and therefore more likely to have an adverse impact on my mixes.
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