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How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
I can't seem to find this anywhere. Is it still locked in to 3gb?
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/06 11:37:10
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32bit Operating Systems, such as XP and Vista32 can address a maximum of 4Gb ram. The default assignment on Windows operating systems is max 2Gb for applications and max 2Gb for the operating system. There is a switch that can be used with XP to provide an additional 1Gb to applications.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/06 12:11:07
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Vista 32 will use the full 4 gig and not do the 2/2 that Xp does 3G+ is possible in XP but 2.6-2.8 is about the norm.
however Vista is a resource hog therfore buy the time you load up everything you have only a little more ram that you could have in XP
maybe 500meg
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/06 12:26:01
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however Vista is a resource hog therfore buy the time you load up everything you have only a little more ram that you could have in XP
maybe 500meg
Pure BS. Vista is not a resource hog. Nor will it use up more ram. It uses ram differently then XP and because of that some think it grabs all the ram. It doesn't do that. It does load up the ram with what it thinks you need to use but it frees ram just as fast as it loads it up for use of programs. It has a very different architecture then XP. Its very possible to run more ram intensive stuff in Vista then it is in XP.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/06 14:10:11
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Yeah, this misinformation going around about RAM usage in Vista is just ridiculous. Don't listen to anyone who tells you Vista is a resource hog and uses much more RAM. That just isn't the truth. Sure, Vista isn't perfect, but neither is XP or OSX. But Vista is fully capable of audio production and great performance. I do it every single day.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/06 15:02:08
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John, I totally agree with you on Vista. I run both 32 and 64 with better results than I ever had in a tweaked XP OS. I must say that I'm surprised that a DAW builder would had out such misinformation on a pefectly capable DAW OS?
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/06 18:00:26
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Scott knows a lot and I respect him. But it is not a good thing to keep these myths going when the truth is all over the place now. I don't know how this got started in the first place but it needs to be clearly debunked. Vista is a great DAW OS and better then XP ever was. It uses memory far more efficiently then any of the older MS OSs. It is meant for the new hardware we have now and will have soon. XP can't compete.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/06 18:59:03
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When you do a first time install of Vista, do you get a choice of a 32 or 64 bit operating system?
Also ........... has anybody in this group had any experience with Alienware computers?
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/06 19:11:12
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If you get Vista Ultimate you get both 32 bit and 64 bit versions. This is not true of the other versions. Now outside of Vista Basic you are able to get the 64 bit version from MS free for the most part. You pay I believe for shipping only. This is true of the full version that is the full price clean install one and the upgrade version of Vista Ultimate. I recommend the upgrade version of Vista Ultimate even if you will be doing a clean install. It will count its own install as a previous version. However you should not do this if you do not have a previous of Windows. OEM versions are not subject to the free version as a mail in offer. You buy the bit version you want and thats it. To get both with an OEM it will cost you more then the upgrade.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 12:13:07
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How do you get vista32 to address all the ram you have it seems to only see about 3gigs max I think in 32, in 64bit I think its 64gigs
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 13:55:06
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The task manager shows that Vista 32 bit see's 3 GB of RAM, but if you have more installed and you are using an application that is large address aware, it will use up to 4 GB total (if you have at least that much installed), if I recall correctly. And I think I do.
One more thing is that I wouldn't talk so tough like with Scott or Jim Roseberry, I really think they know what they are talking about, and to keep saying that Vista is a resource hog, if in fact it isn't, would be a really foolish thing to do, and surely Scott wouldn't put himself in jeapordy like that. Yet, I belleive Scott is talking correctly about this. Lastly, just because Vista is a resource hog, doesn't mean that it doesn't, now, use RAM more efficiently than XP, nor does it mean that Vista doesn't work as good as or better than XP for running DAW software. Just my .02 cents worth.
I hope this thread doesn't become one of the deteriorating threads.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 14:21:54
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One more thing is that I wouldn't talk so tough like with Scott or Jim Roseberry, I really think they know what they are talking about, and to keep saying that Vista is a resource hog, if in fact it isn't, would be a really foolish thing to do, and surely Scott wouldn't put himself in jeapordy like that. Yet, I belleive Scott is talking correctly about this. Lastly, just because Vista is a resource hog, doesn't mean that it doesn't, now, use RAM more efficiently than XP, nor does it mean that Vista doesn't work as good as or better than XP for running DAW software. Just my .02 cents worth.
I hope this thread doesn't become one of the deteriorating threads.
Then the definition of resource hog is being changed to suite the new way of attacking Vista. I don't care about a persons past greatness when the info is touted as truth and is wrong. Don't believe me here do a search on this. Its well understood that people that have said this mistake the way Vista uses ram as being hoggish. It just isn't so. By repeating this nonsense we get very bad advice. BTW when we think some one is more knowledgeable we expect more from them. We hold them to a higher standard then the average user. Thats why I used the BS bit. It is and I stand by it.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 16:30:55
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XP is past greatness! yeah, I guess it was, thing is Vista is even better why would they bother to do other wise, I mean really, they have a research and development team at Microsoft, if the measure of better is what makes for an end of the day better result, I have found that to be Vista!
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 16:32:18
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So I take it Vista 64 can address more than 4 gigs??
What's the upper limit??
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 16:32:54
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I simply want to know, how to get Vista 32 to see all of the ram installed, it only shows 3gigs of 4gigs installed, I think I would consider upgrading to 64bit, if I knew all the apps I am using would work for sure,
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 16:34:53
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I've heard estimates of 48gigs and 64gigs, there is probably experts out there that know for sure, anyway its a lot!
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 16:39:44
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ORIGINAL: sonickg
XP is past greatness! yeah, I guess it was, thing is Vista is even better why would they bother to do other wise, I mean really, they have a research and development team at Microsoft, if the measure of better is what makes for an end of the day better result, I have found that to be Vista!
I like XP plenty. It's very functional and stable, and I haven't had a major problem with it in years. I haven't tried vista, because I'm very concerned that many of my plugins might not work with Vista. I'm one of the people who bought a copy of XP just in case I need it for my next DAW. Maybe someday I'll go to Vista. But I've got a working DAW on XP, and no one can say for sure that vista will work as well for me. So why bother switching?
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 16:44:13
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Hey John, Vista is a resource hog, resource hog, resoure hog! Haaaaaah LOL Now, let's just agree to disagree.  Cya around.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 16:58:13
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Hey John,
Vista is a resource hog, resource hog, resoure hog! Haaaaaah LOL
Now, let's just agree to disagree.
Cya around. OK why? Show me that it is. Saying it is doesn't make it true. Please show me how its a resource hog. BTW have you tried Vista?
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 16:58:39
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ORIGINAL: sonickg
I've heard estimates of 48gigs and 64gigs, there is probably experts out there that know for sure, anyway its a lot!
In a 64-bit architecture, the memory ceiling is about 16 exabytes (or 16.8 million terabytes) of RAM.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 17:26:07
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John: I have been using Vista for over a year. It's simple. I don't have to read about what I see in my own experiences. Why I call Vista a resource hog compared to XP is because it uses all my RAM (except a small amount) whether cached or not, my RAM is being expired by Vista (this is what you can call RAM being efficiently utilized), neverteheless, it's only a small amount of RAM I have free . I was using 2 GB RAM, at 1st, and Vista was using almost all my RAM, then, I upgraded to 8 GB and it still used almost all of the RAM. XP didn't do that. You know what I call that? Resource hog, resource hog, resource hog. I'm using Vista 32 bit and 64Bit. I don't plan on going back to XP. I like Vista better, but I still call it a resource hog. Now, I hope no one starts to push this matter. We all don't agree all of the time. We all can agree to disagree. But if any one from this point in the thread wants to be disagreeable, that's on you, but I'm done. This disagreement is simple, Either you agree that Vista is a resource hog or you don't. If you don't think Vista is a resource hog, fine. We should be able to agree to disagree. If anyone wants to display more disagreeable arguments, I'll leave you to yourself and whoever else wants to go on a hot pursuit with you. Now, Happy Hollidays! To all: Here's the link to a Microsoft article on Memory limits for the different Operating Systems: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx Cya all around
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 18:54:51
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It's simple. I don't have to read about what I see in my own experiences. Why I call Vista a resource hog compared to XP is because it uses all my RAM (except a small amount) whether cached or not, my RAM is being expired by Vista (this is what you can call RAM being efficiently utilized), neverteheless, it's only a small amount of RAM I have free . I was using 2 GB RAM, at 1st, and Vista was using almost all my RAM, then, I upgraded to 8 GB and it still used almost all of the RAM. XP didn't do that.
You know what I call that? Resource hog, resource hog, resource hog.
I'm using Vista 32 bit and 64Bit. I don't plan on going back to XP. I like Vista better, but I still call it a resource hog.
Please read this. You may think that it is a hog but it is using ram in a knew way. Vista thinks ram should be used not left idle. Therefore it fills up ram for use. You can't compare the way Vista uses ram to the way XP did. They have nothing in common. It really sees it as a cache not a place to leave empty. Its because of this that people have the wrong impression about it. They are not used to this new way to use ram. Think about it can you not load samples and memory intensive things in Sonar? I can and I do it better and faster then with XP. See this thread and please read it carefully.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 19:38:46
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All this being said, I have noticed vista instantly runs better with 2 gigs of ram instead of 1 gig. I have noticed vista NEEDS 2 gigs to run good. 1 gig makes it sluggish. They shouldnt SELL vista setups with only 1 gig of ram.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 19:41:49
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All this being said, I have noticed vista instantly runs better with 2 gigs of ram instead of 1 gig. I have noticed vista
NEEDS 2 gigs to run good. 1 gig makes it sluggish. They shouldnt see vista setups with only 1 gig of ram.
The more ram the better.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 22:18:36
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ORIGINAL: thomasabarnes
I was using 2 GB RAM, at 1st, and Vista was using almost all my RAM, then, I upgraded to 8 GB and it still used almost all of the RAM. XP didn't do that.
You know what I call that? Resource hog, resource hog, resource hog.
that´s the worst bullcrap I´ve ever read. Vista 64 almost used up all your 8 GIG of RAM.. dream on! I work on Vista 64, it never went much over 1 GIG of usage of my 16 GIG, I can load more samples on Vista than ever before on XP. You better put XP in the museum where it belongs
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 22:24:25
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You know what I call that? Resource hog, resource hog, resource hog.
I'm using Vista 32 bit and 64Bit. I don't plan on going back to XP. I like Vista better, but I still call it a resource hog.
Saying it repeatedly doesn't make it so. If that's been your experience, then there are probably other factors influencing your situation. Like many others here, I've had good results from Vista. Definately better than XP! My only issue with Vista has been the whole mulit-processor/motorboating thing, but that's a whole other thread!
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/07 22:34:23
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XP is past greatness! yeah, I guess it was, thing is Vista is even better why would they bother to do other wise, I mean really, they have a research and development team at Microsoft, if the measure of better is what makes for an end of the day better result, I have found that to be Vista!
I like XP plenty. It's very functional and stable, and I haven't had a major problem with it in years.
I haven't tried vista, because I'm very concerned that many of my plugins might not work with Vista. I'm one of the people who bought a copy of XP just in case I need it for my next DAW.
Maybe someday I'll go to Vista. But I've got a working DAW on XP, and no one can say for sure that vista will work as well for me. So why bother switching?
I agree. This bloating yourself up and pounding your chest about Vista's greatness is just nonsense. Why some people get so hot to defend a computer OS, or any software for that matter, is just bizarre. If it efficiently helps you do what you want to do, then it's good. XP has never given me any trouble whatsoever and I see no need to change to anything else. Many DAW builders still recommend XP. I would tend believe someone who does this successfully for their livelihood. And to call what Scott says "BS" is just crude...even if you do 10,000+ forum postings.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/08 07:59:14
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I agree. This bloating yourself up and pounding your chest about Vista's greatness is just nonsense. Why some people get so hot to defend a computer OS, or any software for that matter, is just bizarre. If it efficiently helps you do what you want to do, then it's good. XP has never given me any trouble whatsoever and I see no need to change to anything else. Many DAW builders still recommend XP. I would tend believe someone who does this successfully for their livelihood.
And to call what Scott says "BS" is just crude...even if you do 10,000+ forum postings.
Defend? I am not defending anything. I am telling the truth. That may not mean much to you seemingly but it does to me. Did you bother to read the links I posted to backup what I say or are you just reacting?
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/08 08:58:24
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I agree. This bloating yourself up and pounding your chest about Vista's greatness is just nonsense. Why some people get so hot to defend a computer OS, or any software for that matter, is just bizarre. If it efficiently helps you do what you want to do, then it's good. XP has never given me any trouble whatsoever and I see no need to change to anything else. Many DAW builders still recommend XP. I would tend believe someone who does this successfully for their livelihood.
And to call what Scott says "BS" is just crude...even if you do 10,000+ forum postings.
Defend? I am not defending anything. I am telling the truth. That may not mean much to you seemingly but it does to me. Did you bother to read the links I posted to backup what I say or are you just reacting?
John: Chill, dude. You're such a fanboy of Vista you refuse to see someone else's point of view. Vista works great for you - that's fine and that's YOUR opinion. XP works great for other people - that's fine as well. It works well for the daw builders that post here and they have a proven track record - cool with me. Personally I happen to prefer OSX (I use a Mac for Photoshop) and would love to see a native version of Sonar on it (I know about running under Bootcamp and XP) but I don't get rabid about it and put down other people's os preference. Some like to cook with gas, some electric.
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RE: How musch RAM will Vista 32 use?
2008/12/08 09:08:23
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John:
Chill, dude. You're such a fanboy of Vista you refuse to see someone else's point of view. Vista works great for you - that's fine and that's YOUR opinion. XP works great for other people - that's fine as well. It works well for the daw builders that post here and they have a proven track record - cool with me. Personally I happen to prefer OSX (I use a Mac for Photoshop) and would love to see a native version of Sonar on it (I know about running under Bootcamp and XP) but I don't get rabid about it and put down other people's os preference.
Some like to cook with gas, some electric.
You have it all wrong. I am no fanboy of anything. What was said was that Vista is a resource hog. I dispute that and have evidence to prove it. When Scott said it, its just as wrong as any one else. His bushiness has nothing to do with this. Its wrong information and should not be perpetuated by people that should know better. Correcting this is not being a fanboy nor do I need to chill. The truth is the truth.
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