How not to record midi volume messages/Turning off midi volume data from controller

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How not to record midi volume messages/Turning off midi volume data from controller

First I would like to say I have been a user since the Home Studio days and I love all of Cakewalks products. I recently upgraded from Sonar 8.5 to X2 and love it except for one issue. In Sonar 8.5, it didn't capture midi volume data, and I loved this because I usually let one measure play before I start recording(I don't like the count in feature because it's possible miss something at the beginning of your playing), in Sonar 8.5 it would just capture the note data, but in X2 it captures the volume data and then there is a big gap in the midi clip until I start playing. I then have t truncate the clip and bounce it to a clip because there is a big empty space in the clip. Can someone help me? I don't want it to receive volume messages from midi controller(Fantom-G), because ultimately Sonar will control the volume in the sequencer. I hope this makes sense, and thank you in advance! -B.C.

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    robert_e_bone
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    Re:How not to record midi volume messages/Turning off midi volume data from controller 2012/10/03 03:24:47 (permalink)
    I confess that I do not fully understand the issue - I just brewed some coffee, and that will help, but it is 3:00 in the morning here.

    I looked in the Edit>Preferences>Midi>Playback and Recording section, and there are a number of check boxes for what gets recorded, but I don't see anything there for volume.

    I just did a midi track recording, where I let it run a measure before I started plauying, and it only records data from when I start triggering notes so I just do not understand what the issue is with that.

    Can you please take another stab at explaining what is happening here that is messing you up?  I'll try to duplicate your steps and see what the problem is and try to help you resolve it if I can.

    Further, if you want to send me a private message, I will respond with my phone number if you want to give me a call and I could do it over the phone with you during the day.

    OK?

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    Re:How not to record midi volume messages/Turning off midi volume data from controller 2012/10/03 18:37:00 (permalink)
    Hey Robert, thanks for the response. Upon further inspection, it seems as if Cakewalk is sending a volume message with a value of 101, before it goes to the proper level. I don't have a clue why it is doing this. It didn't do it in 8.5. Hope this can be fixed, because it's starting to get annoying.
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    Re:How not to record midi volume messages/Turning off midi volume data from controller 2012/10/03 19:06:48 (permalink)
    I figured it out. it turns out that Maschine 1.8 was sending that volume controller message. I had the Enable Midi Out button checked. This is needed to record the midi data from Maschine in Sonar. Once I deleted it from the synth rack, it stopped appearing. After that I inserted a new instance of it, and it was gone. Thanks for your help! Follow me on twitter: @bigchrizzle
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    Re:How not to record midi volume messages/Turning off midi volume data from controller 2012/10/03 20:09:35 (permalink)
    Well, THAT was easy.

    Congrats!  You have been promoted to slightly more accountable for other people's mistakes - it's also a lateral move.

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    Re:How not to record midi volume messages/Turning off midi volume data from controller 2012/10/03 20:34:43 (permalink)
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    First I would like to say I have been a user since the Home Studio days and I love all of Cakewalks products. I recently upgraded from Sonar 8.5 to X2 and love it except for one issue. In Sonar 8.5, it didn't capture midi volume data, and I loved this because I usually let one measure play before I start recording(I don't like the count in feature because it's possible miss something at the beginning of your playing), in Sonar 8.5 it would just capture the note data, but in X2 it captures the volume data and then there is a big gap in the midi clip until I start playing. I then have t truncate the clip and bounce it to a clip because there is a big empty space in the clip. Can someone help me? I don't want it to receive volume messages from midi controller(Fantom-G), because ultimately Sonar will control the volume in the sequencer. I hope this makes sense, and thank you in advance! -B.C.

    By volume data, do you mean the velocity messages from touch-velocity sensitive keys? It sounds like you might have local control on in the Fantom G. The Fantom G is probably as capable as Sonar, if not more so, at sending note data, ie, volume, expression, velocity. If you're sending data from the Fantom G to a soft synth in Sonar, it's highly likely that the Fantom G will change-rule the parameters in the soft synth if you don't limit what messages are sent from the Fantom G. I think you will find that if you set the Fantom G to a set velocity level 0-127 instead of Touch sensitive, you're problem with volume may stabilize.
    Try turning off local control on the Fantom G first. I'm sure how extensive the editor is in the Fantom G. Do you have it installed on the computer? <--( software version). If that doesn't do it, set the velocity to a given value. If Sonars velocity is set at 101, set the Fantom G to 101.

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