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How often you buy new desktop?
I've been using mine for 2 years.. I've read infinite's topic regarding 12 kontakt channels plus eastwest choirs etc.. make me desired.. How old your computer and how often you buy a new one?
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Giannis
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 05:12:45
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I've had my laptop for about 18 months now and I'm just about to upgrade to a stationary DAW. Prior to the laptop I had another computer for about two years. We'll see for how long I will keep my new computer. I'm planning to get one with lots of ram and a quad core and so on so things should be running real smooth for while.
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Kev999
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 05:33:29
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I've been using mine for 2 years...How old your computer and how often you buy a new one? The standard average lifetime of a desktop PC is supposed to be 4 years. But this probably applies more to PCs that are intended for general home and office use rather than ones used to run specialist software where performance is critical. I built mine early last year. The previous one (based around Athlon XP1800+) dated from 4 years earlier. I only felt the need to upgrade after I enrolled for a Photoshop module at the local Uni. Unfortunately, I had not considered using a PC for music at the time, otherwise I might have made some slightly different choices of components. I have been recently pushing it to its limits with Sonar.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 07:23:46
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About 3 years now I guess (XP 3200+). My normal plan is to upgrade when I can get a mid-range machine at least twice as fast as the current one, otherwise I don't think it's that worth it.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 07:27:31
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The standard average lifetime of a desktop PC is supposed to be 4 years. I think most companies here write them off in 3. I sort of piggy-back on Mr. Moore, so about every 18 months (couple of months after major introductions) I pick up the old stuff on the cheap. Been doing that for ages. Bleeding edge is not for me, or my wallet.
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The Great Juan
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 09:47:24
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I got mine for 3 1/2 years now and it works so well I don't plan on buying a new one anytime soon. I'd only buy new one now if the one I got dies (knock on wood) or I win the power ball
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 10:19:58
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I buy a new machine every 2-3 years, usually because a Sonar upgrade makes the old one struggle to keep up. Often I will do an upgrade of some sort mid-cycle, e.g. adding RAM or more hard drive space. I upgraded the CPU on my current machine when AMD dropped prices on their x2 dual-core processors. I now have FX Teleport, and I'm not as likely to do another CPU upgrade when I can add a very potent machine to the FX Teleport network, with practically zero setup time, for a few hundred dollars. I agree with the previous poster who wrote that he doesn't buy leading-edge machines, but waits for the prices to drop. The difference between a leading edge machine and a machine that was leading edge 6 to 12 months earlier is thousands of dollars. Even Sonar doesn't demand that kind of investment. Regards, lightninrick
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 10:40:15
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My rule of thumb (like roflcopter's) is that "latest and greatest" isn't necessary - not to mention not in my budget . I wait until my system struggles to do the everyday tasks, and then make a change. I do add peripheral upgrades along the way that will improve performance; faster drives, more RAM, etc. But I had my last machine for about 4-1/2 years. I started doing music and audio stuff about 2 years ago, and was able to get what I needed in terms of audio work out of it until this spring. Cheers, Russ
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 10:45:36
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I'd say 4-5 years with minor upgrades (e.g., more ram, new cpu, etc.). I used a Pentium 1.4 Ghz for 4 or 5 years. During that time, I only added some RAM. A couple years ago I upgraded to an Athlon 64 3200+ on Socket 939, with the idea of upgrading to a dual core CPU later (after prices came down), which I did just two days ago - I changed the CPU to an X2 4400+ (cost me much less than the 3200+). I could have waited a bit more but Socket 939 CPU's were becoming very hard to find, especially dual cores. This setup will work for me for another 2-3 years. I only have to buy a new harddisk, and maybe some more RAM. The old Pentium 4 system is still being used by my wife without problems. It's about 6 years old now. I also have a 4-year old Athlon XP-M 2400+ laptop that I use for my work, and I don't plan to get rid of it soon. I upgraded its HD and RAM a couple years ago so it's still going strong. And I do some pretty heavy math processing with it. Of course, I'm amazed at what those new quad-core systems can do, but then again, I'm also amazed by my new dual core. It improves Sonar's performance by about 70%, which is basically all I care about. And for what I do, my current setup is more than enough. My most complex projects are handled well by this CPU. I don't see myself requiring 50 softsynth tracks and 100's of plugins. I don't mind freezing tracks occasionally, or upping my latency when mixing/mastering. In any case, it's good to know those new systems are there for people who needs/afford them. As a sidenote, I don't upgrade Sonar each year, either. I'm still on S5SE and probably will wait until v8.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 10:49:20
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My rule of thumb (like roflcopter's) is that "latest and greatest" isn't necessary - not to mention not in my budget History shows that for me it has been about every 4 years. With four kids and a day job, if I didn't stabilize and then use the limited time I have to just make music all of my free time would be spent building/tweaking my DAW which would be a shame. The new DAW, now about 1-1/2 years old is so powerful, that it may last me another 4 years. I'm an audio guy, I don't use soft synths ...
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/28 11:11:58
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5 years. i would have waited, but I had already lost 512mb of ram, and the system was getting flaky. At that point I wasn't about to spend the days of feeding dvd and cd on a new OS reinstall on questionable hardware. AMD xp2800 to Intel e4300. If you are building your own, research the the e4300 cpu line. I was going to buy an e6xxx until I did some research. And make sure the Motherboard is Quad core ready, just incase you decide to buy a Quad when they cost $100 in a year or 2.
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j boy
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/29 14:17:08
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All of which illustrates why collecting good hardware is a better monetary investment in the long run... Computers are only a necessary evil. Vintage guitars, for example, have outpaced the stock market for appreciation.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/29 14:40:06
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I upgrade when my needs outweigh the capacities of my pc. The one I'm typing on here is a P3 800 which I use mostly for internet and everything else but DAW use. It's been rock solid for 7 years. No need to replace it for what I use it for. I have a seperate PC strickly for DAW use. No internet, no garbage, no nothing. Strickly DAW. Just Sonar, Sound Forge and some related programs (plug-ins, softsynths, etc.) It's rock solid as well and I'll keep using it until such time as I need more horspower. At this point I don't, which suits me just fine.
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Ognis
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/29 14:42:05
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I like this tread, you guys are really cute.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/29 14:44:09
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I keep my internet/word processing/other stuff computer for about 4 years before getting a new one. I replace my DAW computer every 2-3 years. I try to get 3-5 out of my laptop since it just use it for email and internet on the road.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/29 14:48:52
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I used my 933 MHz PIII for five years- but then again, I also stayed with the same version of Sonar from 2002 until this year. I built a system with a 3500+ last year. Normally, this would have lasted a while, but I saw the advantages of going multicore, and socket 939 multicores were getting hard to find. My latest is a 4600x2 (socket AM2); I built it in January. I don't see myself upgrading from this one for a while; it's plenty fast for what I need it to do. ew
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/29 22:14:07
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I replace my computer at least three times a day. Of course, I never actually record any music, but I always have the latest technology.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/29 23:32:24
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It's been long enough I don't remember but it seems like two years or so. I did upgrde the CPU to a 3.2 ghz P4 and add a second gig of RAM last year. And I just put a new power supply in it. So my systems are never finished the same year I start on them. I have hit the wall on CPU power I can add to this motherboard so I'll be starting over next time. I hope I can build a new one in the next year, I feel like I'm behind with all the core duo and quad talk out there. Sonar works great on my system but I'd like to see what Sony Vegas would do on a quad
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Giannis
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/30 05:05:06
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ORIGINAL: Jessie Sammler I replace my computer at least three times a day. Of course, I never actually record any music, but I always have the latest technology. Great fun, Jessie... Great fun... That really made me laugh
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/30 09:22:42
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About 2 years sounds right to me. That's about how long it takes for my HD's to start wearing out and technology to leapfrog itself.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/30 13:00:04
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BTW with the 18 months I didn't mean to imply each and every machine I have here. Boy, I wish. All depends on the budget. Some are *ancient* and 2 cycles behind. These go out now, ofcourse.
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j boy
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/30 14:16:30
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So I guess another way to phrase the question would be How long until that new quad-core becomes a door-stop?
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ohhey
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/30 14:31:27
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ORIGINAL: j boy So I guess another way to phrase the question would be How long until that new quad-core becomes a door-stop? Service pack 2 for Vista should render it useless
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/30 15:02:44
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ORIGINAL: j boy So I guess another way to phrase the question would be How long until that new quad-core becomes a door-stop? One thing I will say is that every generation gets a little bit closer to not actually becoming unusable for multitrack audio. Eight years ago, a top-line, brand new computer was inadequate the day you took it out of the box. If you were planning on running internal effects or virtual instruments or high track counts then you were going to be doing a lot of bouncing and rendering and you were going to be working at >10ms latency. Fast-forward five years. Athlon 64 processors were right on the cusp of being able to do an entire conventional 24- or 48-track audio project in the box at <3ms latency, with only a little bit of freezing and selective use of CPU-heavy effects. High sample rates or a free and easy way with softsynths could still force you into computational compromises, though, and a dedicated effort to push the limits could certainly bring such a system to its knees easily. I haven't upgraded to quad core yet, but I have heard rumors that performance is very close to approaching hardware, i.e. no more need to think about conserving resources or tweaking latency because there's enough reserve to do whatever you need to. If that's not really the case with this generation, I think it will be soon. And once you have a computer that does everything you need at the sample rates and latency you want, upgrading starts to become a luxury. Cheers.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/31 12:57:27
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All true, yep... until the software developers decide they want to exploit the additional processing power, and you're back to square one again! It's a similar situation with storage capacity. Once upon a time, a 60 or 80 GB hard drive was considered adequate, and then the ROMpler folks decided to unleash sample sets like Colossus, DFHS and BFD on us. Nature abhors a vacuum... Just remember, you can't win, you can't break even, and the odds are always in the house's favor.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/31 13:05:48
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ORIGINAL: j boy All true, yep... until the software developers decide they want to exploit the additional processing power, and you're back to square one again!... I understand what you're saying, but I think there actually *is* a real point at which additional processing power becomes moot. If you are already using uncompromising plugins and doing everything you need to do sonically, what is left? Why upgrade? This really is a different kind of turning point for native audio production I think. Cheers.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/31 13:22:21
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I completly upgrade at least twice a year. My world revolves around my computers since im disabled, so i keep them humming like a new sports car.
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Roflcopter
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/31 13:39:28
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I understand what you're saying, but I think there actually *is* a real point at which additional processing power becomes moot. If you are already using uncompromising plugins and doing everything you need to do sonically, what is left? Why upgrade? This really is a different kind of turning point for native audio production I think. Dunno, I think there's something like a trickle-down of stuff they can only do on clusters of parallel running beasts, and is maybe initially only of theoretical interest, until some joker comes up with the same thing on a smaller scale, so it can run (with a LOT of cramming) on lesser hardware. Terabyte samples, weird convolution reverbs using AI routines to do things with ambience you can only dream of, etc etc. It'll happen, whatever they come up with. I have a few ideas I'd probably not even not bother to try on anything but a whole cluster of the best quads in tandem. Think you'll find a few others here too with a quite exotic wishlist.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/31 16:21:28
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my desk still has the original top. i use pledge and a soft cloth, and never set my beer down on it.
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RE: How often you buy new desktop?
2007/07/31 16:29:32
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My Sonar PC is going on four years old now, but it doesn't have to do a lot these days. My Mac is a couple years old and doing well. All it does is audio and the Pro Tools hardware does most of the work so performance doesn't degrade over time like the native systems do.
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