How to: "Trance Gate" effect in Sonar ??? Anyone?

Hi all,
 
during today session with Sonar and some msic making I wanted to do on one track "trance gate" effect.
So - I've started to try with volume envelope, but I couldn't see any tools to make my work easier.
Drawing has no sense, or - more precisely - is difficult, I didn't see any "quantize" drawing tools or so, and I'm affraid that vol fader (motorised) in BCF will go crazy ;)
MUTE envelope - as above - no tools to do it with "quantisation"... Or maybe I'm blind ;)
 
MIDI maybe? OK, but I don't want  - if it's possible - to putting notes - because this gate effect I want to add to synth strings...
 
Or maybe you have any ideas how to do it?
 
Thanks in advance for your help,
 
Adrian

If you're talking about that "pumping" effect, it's very, very easy to achieve. Just follow the instructions in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...2E&feature=related

Well, with a compressor instead of a gate is how you achieve the oh-so-classic now "pumping". By using a gate (or some different compressor settings) you can "key" the signal, which is what it sounds like he wants to do. Gated strings are usually done this way in trance and some futurepop tunes. Rothchild is all over it and gives a good recipe. 

thanks guys, but I'm not talking about sidechain.

more like gate pattern.
I believe there is a VST plugin that enables to do it, but i can't remember name.
Or maybe - there is a way to make it with "automated mute" envelope  - but what I need is to bind envelope with clip/loop and - to make some "snap-to-grid" with anchors, but I really don't know hot 2 do it.

I'm tellin' ya man, you ARE talking about sidechaining. Forget about compression, it's just one of many ways to use that type of routing technique. Instead of using complicated and difficult-to-edit volume envelopes you can just use a hi-hat or kick pattern, which you can easily change at any time. Because the trigger for the gate is coming from the drums (which you never hear, it's just a trigger) but the effect on the sound is a rhythmic gate on your target sound.

Check youtube, you'll find a tutorial about it for some DAW...prolly Live or Fruity.

while ago my friend gave me this link:
http://www.mgaudio.de/modules/do_download.php?file=mgTriggerGate_v0.17_vst.rar

what is the best - it's free.

Well, I don't think you fully understand sidechaining, because that's just the routing. The "pump" effect is but one of many, many things you can by sidechaining a signal. 

What Rothchild described, which is how I've seen many, many people use it, is WITH a gate. It IS a gated effect, it's just receiving it's instructions from another track.

Think of it this way, what you want to do is modulate the volume of your track, lets say it's synth strings. You want it to pulse along in sync with the music, probably as triplets. Okay, you COULD try and draw in volume envelope settings...but ugh that's a nightmare and not musically intuitive. Plus, you lose easy editability. 

If ONLY there was way to draw those envelopes in a musical way, similar to how you create notes and edit them with MIDI.... (this is where I think you don't understand what side-chaining is).

Imagine if you could tap in a pattern using, say, a hi-hat sound on a track and instead of hearing a hi-hat, it actually acted as a volume mute on your string track! Holy cow that would rock and be exactly what I need! (you'd say). Well guess what, you can!

You said yourself, you're looking for a GATE effect. So okay put a gate on that string track. Now INSTEAD of the gate reacting to the level of the strings, you want it to get it's volume modulating instructions from a happy little triplet ditty you tapped in on another track. So...if you SIDECHAIN the key-trigger for your gate from the other tracks, it will do exactly what you want. 

Forget about all that "pumping" crap, that's just a modern dance production trick that also uses a side-chained signal but it's not what we're talking about. 

Here's a quick example I found, first search result for gated strings...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJIWgrEuhJc

best you pop up a link and curb the attitude lol. You are asking for help and when someone say's it's something, you're arguing otherwise. Now, this may be because it's totally different...if so, provide a reference so people can understand what you want. As it currently stands, it sounds to me like Sidechain Gating is what you are getting at which is used all the time in Trance music....

The video link posted previously by another user covers this http://www.youtube.com/wa...2E&feature=related .....if it's something different then provide a reference piece!

adrian4u


Wicked - try to understand - I KNOW what Sidechaining or "pump effect" is.
And I'm not talkin' 'bout sidechain. I'm talking about GATE effect.
Gate, that you can almost make your gate "patterns"... Capisci?

Easy tiger. Wicked perfectly understood. You are thinking of triggering a compressor with a side-chain signal but you can also trigger a Gate with a side-chain signal. So if you feed it with, for instance, a kick drum signal, every time the kick plays, the Gate opens. If you arrange the kick in the pattern you want, you get a Trance Gate effect.

But yeah, mgTriggerGate will also do the trick. One disadvantage of mgTriggerGate is that it only has 32 steps and you can't sequence patterns AFAIK. But it should get the job done...

I prefer doing stuff with dBlue Glitch because you can sequence patterns and add other effects.

UnderTow

You can "gate" with filter & filtered delayed plugin-ins, which some of which use sequenced LFO's , which are can run at their own synced and un-synced tempos. Try Fabfilter's "Timeless" and "Volcano" plug-ins - way smoother (and easier) than typical 'gating'.

Kroneborge


Also this plugin will do what you want, plus more

http://www.camelaudio.com/camelspace.php

Yep Camelspace probably the easiest to set up.  


Also look to Audio Damage.  They have something called Big Seq which is tres cule.  


I do not know of anything easy in Sonar to do this, but there are countless plug ins that do it.


My favorite lately is Melda Productions Multi-Band XXX (insert any effect name at the XXX).  They have a gate that can gate the high frequencies at one speed and the lows at another.  Kinda cool when you have 1/8th gates on the lows and 1/16hts on the highs.  

@ Thebiglongy - you took my words wrong. I really read what others write here, It's great that all of you want to share your knowledge and experience.

But - as I wrote before - I don't want to get "sidechain" or "pu" effect, just hard gating. Ofcourse, I can use sidechain compressor to do this, but I asked you about other/simple way.

Wicked advise was wery helpful - even if not exactly in this case. But he wrote very clearly, how to configure SC.

Rothchild - I will follow you tomorow. Now we have 11pm here, so it's time to go bed ;)

UnderTow - GLITCH is the one of trickest plugins I know, but in this case I needed something simple.

Once again - I really thank you all, guys. Please excuse my bad English, sometimes I use words that aren't best for the situation. But this forum allows me not only to know Sonar better, but to know English better - too ;)

OK, when I'll get "wicked", propably I will understand ;)

So - what I wanted to get is below.

Nothing special, without mix, finalizing, take it as a few "minutes" of messing around.
- main beat - NI Maschine (as a plugin)
- bass and additional filtered bass - Maschine
- first pad - Korg Z1 (program mode, not performance mode)
- second pad with GATE - Korg microX (program mode) with mgTriggerGate
- addtitional EFX on microX sound - SoundToys Filter 2

http://www63.zippyshare.com/v/8492891/file.html

Sonar (8.5 anyway) will do that easily with no third party fx.

Rothchild


Put a Sonitus gate on the pad or strings you want to gate.

Set up a track with a drum machine, playing a kick drum pattern of the gate rhythm you want. On the audio out of this track insert a send and make the output of it go to the sidechain input of the gate on your string track. Switch the send to pre and turn the volume down on the kick drum track.

Adjust the threshold and timing of the gate to taste. Each time the kick drum hits, and opens the gate, you'll hear the strings / pad. Magic!

Child

This works perfectly! The default Sonitus gate settings worked pretty well even without tweaking. What is the easiest way to get a "filtered" and gated sound in Sonar?