How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track?

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2012/07/22 02:40:48 (permalink)

How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track?

I am using Sonitus:fx Gate to block low level hiss on a guitar track with a marginal S/N ratio, and it works well, except I want the last chord to decay to as close to infinity as I can get it (probably with the assistance of a fade), but when the decaying / fading signal falls below a certain threshold, the gate kicks in and the sound level either drops abruptly to infinity, or at lower gate levels the signal stutters several times as it drops past the threshold.
 
Is there a way to dynamically drop the threshold on the gate (i.e., automation) at the end of the piece to match the signal decay / fade, in order to eliminate the drop out / stutter?  Or maybe some other way of approaching the problem?
 
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    mattplaysguitar
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    Re:How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track? 2012/07/22 03:22:28 (permalink)
    Automate the hold and release time to suit just at the end of your song. If that doesn't get you enough, then automate the thershold to turn off the gate and then apply your own fade.

    Another option is to not use a gate at all and simply slip edit everything to essentially create your own 'manual gate'.

    However the best solution is to re-record the guitar track without hiss, if you have that option available.


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    Re:How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track? 2012/07/22 03:26:03 (permalink)
    "However the best solution is to re-record the guitar track without hiss, if you have that option available. " +1,,,,,,, or snip the audio file at the last chord, drag the gate from the fx bin and drag it onto the audio file !!! so you'll have that part gated and the last chord can decay with out the gate kicking in
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    Re:How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track? 2012/07/22 06:44:14 (permalink)
    Yet another option would be to use a volume envelope.

    It's easy enough to reduce the level where the hiss lives and you could make it sound slightly more natural by not reducing the level to -INF but just low enough so that the hiss is masked by other instruments

    You can get draw in your own fadeout curve, getting as fancy as you want with its shape.

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    Re:How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track? 2012/07/22 07:12:57 (permalink)
    Another thing you can do for his is a low pass filter. You may find that in the context of your song, you don't actually need a considerable amount of high end as other instruments may be doing that job. If such, you might be able to get away with a LPF. I find this can work really well on a bass guitar, especially if it's a more of a dull sounding one. You might not get so much luck with a guitar, but maybe worth a look at.


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    Re:How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track? 2012/07/22 08:59:50 (permalink)
    I would split the track and using the snap to grid set to measures or quarter notes..... drag the ending to a new track without a gate on it.

    Set both tracks up identical with the exception of the noise gate.  The sound will remain the same but the fade will not be gated.

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    Re:How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track? 2012/07/22 11:13:32 (permalink)
    My first choice would be to automate the gate threshold, but if there's a convenient split point Herb's method would work fine, too. Automating the threshold, however, gives you the option of turning the gate off or decreasing its sensitivity in other parts of the track as well.


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    Re:How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track? 2012/07/23 04:01:21 (permalink)
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    My first choice would be to automate the gate threshold, but if there's a convenient split point Herb's method would work fine, too. Automating the threshold, however, gives you the option of turning the gate off or decreasing its sensitivity in other parts of the track as well.

    This approach works well.  I'm still exploring the many automation options, but in this case, I find that automating both track volume and gate threshold allows me to optimize / reoptimize the two independent fades quickly and easily.
     
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    Re:How to accomodate a natural decay / fade out on a gated track? 2012/07/23 10:25:27 (permalink)
    Gee I'd just go to any ends of phrases you want a natural fade and split it there. Then clone the track and select the clip before the split and hit "Q" which is "Mute Clip" (in 8.5, Own X1 but don't use it!) and then remove the gate on the cloned track. Then mute the ends of phrases on the original track. 

    Lots of times by cloning a track you can process, eq, verb, etc- just the parts of the track you want different.  

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