luzarius
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How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
A singer wants to hear herself on her headphones while she is recording, but she wants a little reverb to be added to her voice when she speaks into the mic. But i don't want this reverb to actually be recorded as the final version.
How do I make it so I can simply add reverb to the mic so when you speak into the mic you hear the reverb on your head phones?
I already have it where you can speak into the mic and hear it on the headphones.
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/25 02:05:34
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Depends on your soundcard, whether or not you have a mixer, how you want to apply the reverb...
One possibility is to just use input monitoring from Sonar. You didn't say HOW you were hearing the vocals through the headphones, if you were direct-monitoring, or using input monitoring...
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luzarius
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/25 02:07:38
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How do i do it through input monitoring?
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/25 03:37:21
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The manual has pretty extensive documentation on this, let us know if you still have problems after checking it out there.
Good luck!
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/25 06:42:46
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Although singers like to hear this you should only give it to them if they truly can't sing well without it. My experience is that singers who do not like to record dry tend to sing out of time and off pitch if delay, reverb or chorus are added to their monitor. These effects make it more difficult to manage pitch and time. When recording, these effects create problems you want to avoid. I have also mentioned in the past that I refuse to hire backup singers for live venues who cannot sing with total enthusiasm into a dry monitor. <edit> I should add that professional studios that record for major labels will resist adding effects to vocal monitors during recording. They prefer to advance the careers of singers who can "do it right" dry. SIngers who want effects in their monitors are in more professional circles looked down on as either unprofessional or so self-absorbed that they cannot do what works out best for the customer.</edit>
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/25 06:56:29
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/25 07:05:08
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<edit> I should add that professional studios that record for major labels will resist adding effects to vocal monitors during recording. They prefer to advance the careers of singers who can "do it right" dry. SIngers who want effects in their monitors are in more professional circles looked down on as either unprofessional or so self-absorbed that they cannot do what works out best for the customer.</edit> I don't know about the professional studios of New York, but where I come from, studios are in the business of pleasing the client and not the other way around. Many of the greatest singers in the world monitor with effects in their headphones, and it's not a sign of unprofessionalism to do so. If it's true that major labels only cater to singers that can sing "dry", then it is no wonder that their business has fallen drastically in the last few years. BTW, who are we talking about here, anyway? Britney Spears? Ashley Simpson? Anyway, the point is: recordists should do whatever they can to make their clients more comfortable when recording and not the other way around. Their are no absolutes when it comes to recording.  Lynn
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 00:06:20
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Lynn,
You are a diplomat. You should've seen what I came this close to posting ;-)
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TechDoc
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 00:19:03
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My personal experience is - whatever it takes to get the client in the zone... whether it is lighting, mix, aromatheraphy, doesn't matter. What you need is a best performance, not what the engineer dictates will give the best performance. I have worked with some pretty litle people and some bigger names, too... as one Nashville producer (who had a wall of Gold records, btw) told me... all that matters is what gets on the tape (dating myself a little there perhaps). NYSR, I understand what you are saying about immature clients wanting to be bathed in reverb, but as I'm sure you know, you get higher up the mountain things change. As for me, I'm not about to dictate to a singer like I had in my studio (a 30 year veteran doing recording for a TV special ) what he needed to hear in the phones. I've worked with SR people like that, but not for long.[sm=lol.gif] Alan
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 01:04:24
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ORIGINAL: NYSR
<edit> I should add that professional studios that record for major labels will resist adding effects to vocal monitors during recording. They prefer to advance the careers of singers who can "do it right" dry. SIngers who want effects in their monitors are in more professional circles looked down on as either unprofessional or so self-absorbed that they cannot do what works out best for the customer.</edit>
I'd really like to believe that, but I've heard Avril "sing" live, and I'm very afraid for this industry. I even sold my Antares after that. I hear pitch correction on so many tracks nowadays that I'm convinced that 'image' is more important than 'talent'. Speaking of 'talent' oops - I mean 'reverb' (1) Get your latency as low as possible. (2) Turn on Input Echo (3) Add reverb to the track (or create a reverb buss if you like.) And, all of this is in about a dozen places in the manual. Please consult it for further detail. Cheerio David
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NYSR
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 01:24:29
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Lynn, (and others)
Music is a big business with lots of circles in which to travel and many different perspectives.
What I said was certainly said while I was in a mood of disgust and it came out with much less empathy or tact than I would use if speaking directly to the talent myself.
Of course after some resistance I would relent and give them reverb or whatever else in the monitor if they really needed it while recording. The question caught me in a bad producer mood.
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 08:07:58
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The other question to ask besides "does the client like it better" or "does the client feel like they get a better performance from it" is
Does it sound good?
The end. Regardless of the level of talent (or non-talent) you are dealing with, as a producer and/or engineer, it is your job to get the best performance possible. In some cases, that might mean suggesting that the reverb be turned off or lessened or whatever so that you get the best possible recording (without wrecking how the artist feels) - it's a delicate balance (and of course I'm not talking about actually recording the monitored reverb).
For myself, I've found that I LIKE the way it feels to record with reverb on during recording but I know that the end result is BETTER when I do the recording dry, and knowing that, I've gotten used to doing it dry cause that works for me. I'm also not a pro singer, nor do I own a pro studio.
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 10:08:52
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ORIGINAL: NYSR
My experience is that singers who do not like to record dry tend to sing out of time and off pitch if delay, reverb or chorus are added to their monitor. These effects make it more difficult to manage pitch and time. When recording, these effects create problems you want to avoid.
Agreed. NYSR is right. Try and discourage the use of headphone effects whilst recording by anyone other than the most experienced and pitch-perfect of singers. As these are extremely rare, I'd discourage its use period. If they really need to feel more comfortable, try a shot of brandy. You'll get a better result from brandy that than you will from headphone verb which will only make them believe themselves better than they are. As most singers you'll encounter will be dodgy to say the least, you will not get a better take - just more editing to do later.
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 11:48:32
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I agree that less is better with the 'verb... - - what I do is send ALL of the headphone mix through a small amount of a reverb from a Alesis MicroVerb 4 (that I keep in the rack for that one purpose) and that gives them just enough of a sense of cohesiveness with the rest of the mix to make a difference without affecting them in a major way. Production has it's tougher moments - but the hardest is when a vocalist is realizng their 'limitations" in the studio for the first time.
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 12:12:43
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I agree that less is better with the 'verb...
Production has it's tougher moments - but the hardest is when a vocalist is realizng their 'limitations" in the studio for the first time.
The singer is generally a lost creature whose role in our culture is very confused. A good classical singer (Kathleen Battle and Ema Kirkby are good singers) will study for 10 years before imposing themselves on the world. A good guitarist will have practiced for many thousands of hours before considering themselves up-to-scratch. But your average western pop singer will pick up a mic, deem themselves an artist and expect us to treat them as such. Ego and pride are usually the drivers. The earlier a vocalist learns their above mentioned limitations the better for every one concerned: thus no verb till they've earned it. P.S. I record singers for a living and I am nice to them - most of the time:-)
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 20:52:06
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The manual has pretty extensive documentation on this, let us know if you still have problems after checking it out there.
Good luck!
Why did you take the time to tell him that you werent going to take the time to tell him. No response would have been just as valuable.
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/26 21:44:12
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Hi LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY- Why did you take the time to tell him that you werent going to take the time to tell him. No response would have been just as valuable.
I respectfully disagree! I think it makes perfect sense to direct people to the documentation in case they aren't aware that the answer is probably there. It's pretty much the same as providing a link, as far as I'm concerned. If they don't find what they're looking for, fine, and by all means they should post back, but I don't see the point in copying and pasting or just re-wording what's already in the documentation. "Give a man a fish..." and all that! I don't think Said_Simon's response was dismissive at all. Just my 2¢. -Susan
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/27 01:56:30
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Hi LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY-
Why did you take the time to tell him that you werent going to take the time to tell him. No response would have been just as valuable.
I respectfully disagree! I think it makes perfect sense to direct people to the documentation in case they aren't aware that the answer is probably there. It's pretty much the same as providing a link, as far as I'm concerned. If they don't find what they're looking for, fine, and by all means they should post back, but I don't see the point in copying and pasting or just re-wording what's already in the documentation.
"Give a man a fish..." and all that! I don't think Said_Simon's response was dismissive at all.
Just my 2¢.
-Susan
You might... I said MIGHT.. have a point, but let us stop this discussion at this point or this post will become very Off Topic! Theres nothing worse than opening a thread, thinking that youll be reading about mic reverb and then to your surprise finding a bunch of arguing people. But thank you for your response susan. Well noted.
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/27 03:45:17
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ORIGINAL: luzarius
A singer wants to hear herself on her headphones while she is recording, but she wants a little reverb to be added to her voice when she speaks into the mic. But i don't want this reverb to actually be recorded as the final version.
I agree with most of the people in that recording a singer dry allows them to hear exactly what they are doing, allowing them to hit pitch and phrasing both cleaner and quicker. BUT I don't have the time or luxury to argue with clients on lots of important things (recording clean, the virtues of click tracks, how a $400 kit can never sound like the $4000 DW kit on their favorite recording, etc). People tend to be under educated and underfunded so I gave up a long time ago. Don't screw with input monitoring, you'll likely get latency issues. INSTEAD: Find a cheap reverb pedal and stick it in line with the phones, how simple is that! It's what i do - I toss my POD in after the headphone out of my MOTU 828 and then let 'em have at. It's in the cans but not on the hard drive!
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RE: How to add reverb to the mic while recording?
2005/01/27 15:03:13
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ORIGINAL: Said_simon
The manual has pretty extensive documentation on this, let us know if you still have problems after checking it out there.
Good luck!
Why did you take the time to tell him that you werent going to take the time to tell him. No response would have been just as valuable.
You're right, I should never ever try to help someone again. My bad.
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