Lunatique
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How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
Is there a way to visually be able to identify that you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes? I mean, without having to open up the event inspector, and simiply be able to see them easily in the pianoroll view?
In Xewton Music Studio, they have a feature that if the notes overlap, the overlapped part of the notes will turn into a distinctly different color. I think that is an awesome feature, and I would love to see it in Sonar.
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Lunatique
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/27 21:21:29
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Four months later and no replies?
Does anyone else want this feature? I think it'll be extremely useful for those who spend a lot of time in the piano roll.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/27 23:33:25
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Luna: you couldnt see it 25 yrs ago in dos midi, so I cant see why
you would today....Now a well traind ear should pick it up right away
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/27 23:39:46
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Not if you accidentally have a note duplicated exactly on top of each other--that is my main concern. With many patches, a perfectly overlapped note will mess up the attack and detection of advanced scripting such as legato detection in advanced sample libraries.
And no, you can't always hear it--particularly if the arrangement/musical phrase is fairly complex.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/27 23:43:20
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Luna: there is a aurel round, sound , not a solid tone, like you would expect.. I agree it might be trickey to detect..
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/27 23:47:56
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Lunatique
Is there a way to visually be able to identify that you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes? I mean, without having to open up the event inspector, and simiply be able to see them easily in the pianoroll view?
In Xewton Music Studio, they have a feature that if the notes overlap, the overlapped part of the notes will turn into a distinctly different color. I think that is an awesome feature, and I would love to see it in Sonar.
Hi, Luna I work primarily with MIDI. I'm trying to understand exactly what the issue is you've brought up, but I admit I'm apparently not getting it. "Hidden/overlapping MIDI notes"-- the only time MIDI notes are actually "hidden" is when you've cropped a MIDI clip and in order to see the data in the now obscured part, you need to look in the Event View and asked to "see cropped." Overlapping MIDI notes is a different matter - those you can see visually in the PRV, if you haven't already spotted them by listening. Overlapping notes look exactly like that--notes are butted up against each other and when click one, you'll see its length is longer than the one beneath it. You're talking about notes in the same track and on the same MIDI channel, right?-- If that's the case, I'm not understanding why those are difficult to dig out ---? RB
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 00:30:41
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I think she's referring to a case where (for example) you've coied the same info on top of itself so there are two identical events and only one can be seen because the other is exactly the same and one on top/below the other...
You can remove them using one of the CAL routines, but knowing that they're there can often be frustrating until it's realized...
Am I right Luna?
Keni
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 00:51:04
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Keni how does one copy the data over itself and not know it? Wouldn't undo work in that case?
The way I figured it, it might be possible to do as the OP says by having two keyboards and hitting the same note at the same time on both going of course to the same channel and track.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 00:53:50
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Yep, that's what sometimes happen. Carelessness, accidents, whatever reason--it can and does happen, and it we can simply see visually that notes overlapped are a distinct color, then it'll just make things that much clearer. This is something I love about Xewton's Music Studio. Keni
I think she's referring to a case where (for example) you've coied the same info on top of itself so there are two identical events and only one can be seen because the other is exactly the same and one on top/below the other...
You can remove them using one of the CAL routines, but knowing that they're there can often be frustrating until it's realized...
Am I right Luna?
Keni
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 01:00:54
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There are a number of reasons why accidents and carelessness happen, but some examples include copying MIDI data from one location to another, but some notes might be long enough to cover up shorter notes near/next to the area by copied to. Or, adding new notes of longer lengths will over a shorter note. You might know it as you're doing it, but let's say your phone or door bell rings right after you added the note or made the copy, and you have to go deal with life for an undetermined amount of time. By the time you get back to your music, you probably have forgotten what you were doing right before getting distracted. No matter what, a clear visual clue showing areas of overlap in a distinct color can't possibly be a bad thing--it can only make things easier. rbowser
Lunatique
Is there a way to visually be able to identify that you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes? I mean, without having to open up the event inspector, and simiply be able to see them easily in the pianoroll view?
In Xewton Music Studio, they have a feature that if the notes overlap, the overlapped part of the notes will turn into a distinctly different color. I think that is an awesome feature, and I would love to see it in Sonar.
Hi, Luna
I work primarily with MIDI. I'm trying to understand exactly what the issue is you've brought up, but I admit I'm apparently not getting it.
"Hidden/overlapping MIDI notes"-- the only time MIDI notes are actually "hidden" is when you've cropped a MIDI clip and in order to see the data in the now obscured part, you need to look in the Event View and asked to "see cropped." Overlapping MIDI notes is a different matter - those you can see visually in the PRV, if you haven't already spotted them by listening. Overlapping notes look exactly like that--notes are butted up against each other and when click one, you'll see its length is longer than the one beneath it.
You're talking about notes in the same track and on the same MIDI channel, right?-- If that's the case, I'm not understanding why those are difficult to dig out ---?
RB
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 01:21:30
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I know exactly what luna is talking about, and have had that problem many times. Only my ears eventually figured out that the problem was an errant note hidden behind another. And only dragging the note aside to reveal the hidden offender confirmed this suspicion.
But even worse are velocities hidden behind one another when a number of drum notes in the track occur at the same time...you want to keep all the notes, but redrawing the velocities is impossible...so right clicking the notes and changing the velocity values is the way to go...which is fine with me.
The CAL script "slpit notes to tracks" will help seperating out the overlapping velocities, but not the overlapping notes. But I could swear there was some function that allowed you to see overlapping notes - "bring all notes to front" or something like that...
Just wanted to make sure that there is no other way to see these hidden notes or velocities, and say that Luna's question is a valid one.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 01:52:17
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Keni
You can remove them using one of the CAL routines
UNDUPE.CAL will remove duped notes, but you have to know they are there first...and this script is good for when you have alot of them, not just one or two.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 02:14:16
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I guess it takes getting accustomed to knowing what to look for, but when you have two notes directly on top of each other (for whatever reason they got there)-if you look closely you'll see a double image. There'll be a sliver a note visible towards the left, and a longer note visible to the right. The thing to do is select one, delete it, and then make sure it's the one you really wanted to delete, determined by taking a look and a listen to the section in question.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 03:15:50
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I have this problem from time to time and usually hear it as a slight phasing sound. I find it difficult to see them at all as it's usually in my drum tracks so the note size is pretty non-existent to start with.
I weed them out with the event view but the colour change idea is a really good one and would make life much simpler.
Luna I would suggest putting in a feature request if it's something you'd like to see.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 03:40:34
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Luna I would suggest putting in a feature request if it's something you'd like to see.
It wouldn't be enough that I put in a feature request--it will merely get thrown into the "small minority of users want this, so we're not going to do it" pile. This feature will only get added if you guys all requested it too.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 04:24:38
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I sometimes get this with drum tracks (not often though), and if I hear telltale phasing I audit the PRV the hard way I'm afraid - I check the suspicious note by deleting it to see if one remains. If not, I Ctrl-Z undo quickly!
I think you're right in saying it won't be given high priority by CW as it's not a 'screamer' for most users.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 04:53:59
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Maybe a look into staffview could do the trick, overlapping and hidden notes in PRV are seen as 2 notes close together in staffview.
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 05:05:20
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FastBikerBoy
Luna I would suggest putting in a feature request if it's something you'd like to see.
It wouldn't be enough that I put in a feature request--it will merely get thrown into the "small minority of users want this, so we're not going to do it" pile. This feature will only get added if you guys all requested it too.
You may have a point but then if there's lots of users who have the same problem and they all take the same attitude, it'll never get done. By the same token for all you know there could be a whole load of FRs already in and yours could be the one that makes the difference. You have nothing to lose, save 2 mins of your life, and everything to gain. The only certainty is CW are more likely to take notice of a FR then they are this post. The choice as they say, is yours.............
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Re:How to always know when you have hidden/overlapping MIDI notes?
2011/08/28 06:07:19
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FastBikerBoy
Luna I would suggest putting in a feature request if it's something you'd like to see.
It wouldn't be enough that I put in a feature request--it will merely get thrown into the "small minority of users want this, so we're not going to do it" pile. This feature will only get added if you guys all requested it too.
You may have a point but then if there's lots of users who have the same problem and they all take the same attitude, it'll never get done. By the same token for all you know there could be a whole load of FRs already in and yours could be the one that makes the difference.
You have nothing to lose, save 2 mins of your life, and everything to gain. The only certainty is CW are more likely to take notice of a FR then they are this post.
The choice as they say, is yours.............
Oh, I'm definitely doing it. If you know me from my past history here, I'm one of the vocal members who's always got some constructive suggestion that I submit to the feature request, and I've been doing it ever since I registered here years ago. But it would be better if others also submitted too. That's all I'm saying.
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