DaveG74
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How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
I've written a project where, in the PRV notation, there are too many notes in one measure. I would like to spread them out by half a measure without affecting the project tempo (and without rewriting the track.) How do I do that? Thanks!
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Steve_Karl
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/10 17:52:59
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Spreading them out would technically be a rewrite. So essentially you're saying something like I want to walk to the corner but I don't want to move my legs.
It's only one measure. Just fix it with the draw tool or smart to be the way you want it.
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DaveG74
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/10 18:04:02
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Actually, this isn't one measure. I wrote about twenty measures of PRV notation at the wrong tempo. I want to maintain the tempo, but the measures tick by too slowly. I'm only an amateur, so I guess the best way to explain it would be that I'm using the wrong "time signature"? The 4/4 is correct, but the measure count it too slow, so I wish to expand my work across a proper measure count. How would I go about doing that?
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/10 18:17:44
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Grundberg ...the wrong tempo. I want to maintain the tempo... ...the wrong "time signature"? The 4/4 is correct...
Some clarity is desperately needed here.
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/10 18:37:05
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The Fit Time function? I don't really understand the problem.
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/10 23:10:13
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Grundberg: You might want to try using the "Set Measure/Beat to Now" command. "Shift-M" in Sonar X series allows you to position the Now time and set the Measure and Beat. I use this all the time for live sessions for both MIDI and audio recording. Hope this helps, Paul
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/11 06:32:09
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I think I did what he's talking about. I wrote a midi song and started with an arbitrary note length. And used that length to add new notes. It still lined up with the grid(by luck I think) but was not in time with the metronome. So I set the tempo I wanted and hand moved all the notes to their correct places. It took a while but I saw no other way to do it. First thing I do in a new song now is set the tempo and get the note lengths to what I want that match the grid.
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/11 07:54:42
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/11 08:46:54
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EDIT: oops...ignore this post, I misunderstood the OP's issue Maybe this will help? http://forum.cakewalk.com/Double-the-speed-without-speeding-up-music-m2921743.aspx#2926675 EDIT: actually rather than make you read the whole thread...this is what I wrote in it (and Jeff Evans resolved)...if this is not the problem you're having then please disregard my suggestion- More than a couple of times I've hastily started recording an idea (trying not to lose the idea) and somehow counted it (say a 4/4 metronome) as playing 1 and 2 and 3 and etc as opposed to 1,2,3,4 and had to start the whole thing over so that the instruments later added work out in the PRV and/or staff....so I really am hoping what Jeff is talking about would fix my goofs that will inevitably happen again.
post edited by g_randybrown - 2014/05/13 09:20:21
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/11 11:19:34
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Insert a Meter change to 6/4 for that one measure (then back to 4/4 after it)?
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/11 16:05:41
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This is one of the most confusing threads I have seen in a long time. I assume the OP must be talking about beats not notes in a measure, since there is no limit to the number of notes one can put in a measure depending on the duration of the notes, while the number of beats is fixed by the time signature. If so, then it would seem that he does not understand the basics of music notation. I am at a loss, however to figure out how he could cram say 6 quarter notes into a 4/4 measure in piano roll view. So I think we need a better explanation of the problem. As far as midi playback is concerned, if the notes are at the correct time relationship to the tempo and to one another, then a tempo change will speed it up. But if individual notes are not at the proper duration, they need to be edited manually, since just speeding up the meter will not change the relative duration of the notes, just make each beat duration shorter or longer.
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DaveG74
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/11 16:38:40
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Thanks, everyone, for your insight on this issue. I'm sorry I didn't explain this clearly enough. Yes, Slabrafjasjasdfr, I am an amateur, so I'm still learning the Cakewalk software (and notation as I go along). Very basic explanation -- I wrote too many notes into the opening measure, only, that measure was duplicated several times. So, tempo is technically too slow. I was hoping there was a way to automatically expand what was already written over twice the measures. Otherwise, just inserting a tempo change to me would be an artificial work around. Otherwise, if there's no way to expand the notation, I could rewrite the track.
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/12 15:06:00
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☄ Helpfulby Grundberg 2014/06/05 22:00:05
I could be wrong, but what I think the OP is saying is that he mistook eighth notes for quarter notes and wrote two measures as one. Example: / 1 2 3 4 / 1 2 3 4 / was written as / 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & /. He needs to keep the same tempo, while turning each measure into two throughout the song. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do that, but perhaps someone here does. Edit: That would require doubling the tempo and doubling the note values in order to maintain the feel and tempo of the song. It would double the tempo, but since each note would be longer it would keep the music in time with what you want.
post edited by Katnip - 2014/05/12 15:35:54
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DaveG74
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/12 16:14:44
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Katnip I could be wrong, but what I think the OP is saying is that he mistook eighth notes for quarter notes and wrote two measures as one. Example: / 1 2 3 4 / 1 2 3 4 / was written as / 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & /. He needs to keep the same tempo, while turning each measure into two throughout the song. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do that, but perhaps someone here does. Edit: That would require doubling the tempo and doubling the note values in order to maintain the feel and tempo of the song. It would double the tempo, but since each note would be longer it would keep the music in time with what you want.
BINGO. You nailed it on the first paragraph; that's what I was trying to do. Thank you! I assumed the Smart Tool might be capable of spreading out all the work on that track (a la Photoshop's "resize" tool) over twice the space. I guess I'll have to rewrite the track...
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/12 16:19:18
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/12 17:01:46
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☼ Best Answerby Grundberg 2014/06/05 21:59:52
vanblah Maybe the length tool would work.
Yes, Process > Length to 200% with both start times and durations checked, and then double the project tempo to have the MIDI play back with the same absolute timing. Or Project > Set Measure/Beat At Now, and tell SONAR that measure X is now measure 2X-1 (e.g. 9 is now 17). This will do it in one step.
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/05/12 17:58:36
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I'm wondering if there is a CAL script that can do this.
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Re: How to automatically spread the PRV notation out?
2014/06/05 22:03:35
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Hey! I finally got around to working on this. In a particular project, I had a few measures written in at the wrong tempo. Katnip was able to recognize the problem I was describing, while Brundlefly provided the solution using Process -> Length to 200%. I confirmed this and got it to work! All the notation doubled in length, leaving the tempo unchanged. All I had to do was double the tempo in the Transport, and that set it to a more appropriate speed to the measures. In addition, this process doesn't insert any unwanted events into my Event List which blatantly have "LAZY TEMPO WORKAROUND" written all over them. LOL Thanks a bunch for that solution!
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