How to bounce a softsynth track to audio

I'm having a total brain cloud moment. I have Stylus RMX loaded and have a four-bar thing I want to render as audio into an audio track and then make a groove clip out of it. However, I can't remember how to get the output of the softsynth onto its own audio track. I thought the command Bounce To Clip, but that apparently does something different. 

Isn't there a simple way to do this? I'd swear there was, but now I just can't remember.

Thanks!
John

Hmm... When I try that, it says that the selection contains no audio data when I select Bounce To Track.

I used the Synth browser to add Stylus RMX, so I have a MIDI track and the associated audio tracks. I pulled up a patch in Stylus and basically played the same note for four bars. It is recorded into X1 as MIDI data, I guess, and it's just playing through the soft synth when I hit Play. No actual audio has been recorded into X1. I suppose that's what I'm trying to do, to record the output of Stylus onto an actual audio track.

Forgive me, I'm still a noob when it comes to this stuff.  :)

If it's the only track you have you should be able to select it and bounce to track which will render the audio output. Not sure what you're (we're) missing.

I found the solution! You have to freeze the track first, which renders the audio into the track. Then you can bounce from that track onto another audio track. If you don't freeze it, there is no audio to bounce!

HumbleNoise


Here's a quick vid HTH

http://www.screencast.com...44f7-8d5d-5e9022eaa8f3

Stylus RMX works differently.

HumbleNoise


Here's a quick vid HTH

http://www.screencast.com...44f7-8d5d-5e9022eaa8f3

Wow, thanks for that! That wasn't what I was seeing on my system, though. Now I wonder why. I was always getting the "No audio..." error. Freezing the track worked for me, but now I'm curious as to why I needed to take that step. Hmm...


I have the Jing recorder, but I haven't used it in a while. I think I'll start using it more. That's a great idea!

Randy, I just did it without choosing the audio file, only the MIDI file. Not clear on the why's and wherefores.

BTW I always do a MIDI groove clip as well then bounce that to track after it's formed correctly for the project.

Nice neiby, Glad you got it. Thanks, Billy, Randy. I'll remember that next time, even though I bounced without both selected this time - don't quite understand that.

Thanks Billy,

I just found that if I follow the simple steps in the video I posted I can bounce to track without selecting both MIDI and audio. If I make a groove clip or mess with it at all then it requires both to be selected. Hmmm..

Thanks again for the help )Randy too)

HumbleNoise


Nice neiby, Glad you got it. Thanks, Billy, Randy. I'll remember that next time, even though I bounced without both selected this time - don't quite understand that.

Billy succinctly answers some things concerning all this in post #20.  When you start dealing with plug-ins which are different than standard MIDI, it can get confusing.

"...I just did it without choosing the audio file, only the MIDI file. Not clear on the why's and wherefores...."

Using "simple instrument" tracks can be confusing to a lot of people, because what's going on isn't clear.  I can't stand simple instrument tracks, because even though I understand what's going on, I want to see totally clearly what I'm dealing with - The "old fashioned," but more easily understood approach is to have two tracks visible in your project--a MIDI file, and its associated Audio track.  You can clearly see what to do with the MIDI track as you edit it in the PRV.  You can clearly see what's going on in the Audio track as you perhaps add audio FX to its FX bin.

When you want to bounce to audio, you select the two things and go for it.  The logic of what you're doing is reflected graphically.  MIDI is data which drives a synth, and that synth's audio is coming out of the audio channel.  Obviously both the MIDI and it's audio channel have to be engaged in order for it to result in a bounced audio track.

But that's all re: traditional MIDI.  REX files are a bit different since MIDI events are triggering either whole  parts of an audio file, or single slices of that same file. 

It helps if the basic concepts of how MIDI and Audio interact are understood, then how to render files, and knowing what's going on is grasped - Surprises of how to work and why it works are then cleared up.

As you sed, Neiby--"... I was only selecting the audio track, not audio and MIDI. When I selected both, I was able to bounce them to a new track without getting the error..."

Right - You need both tracks, since the MIDI is triggering the synth which in turn is playing through the audio track.  You can't get the "no audio" error--because you Have engaged the entire package--the data along with the resulting audio.

Glad to have been of assistance!

RB

rbowser

HumbleNoise


Nice neiby, Glad you got it. Thanks, Billy, Randy. I'll remember that next time, even though I bounced without both selected this time - don't quite understand that.

Billy succinctly answers some things concerning all this in post #20.  When you start dealing with plug-ins which are different than standard MIDI, it can get confusing.

"...I just did it without choosing the audio file, only the MIDI file. Not clear on the why's and wherefores...."

Using "simple instrument" tracks can be confusing to a lot of people, because what's going on isn't clear.  I can't stand simple instrument tracks, because even though I understand what's going on, I want to see totally clearly what I'm dealing with - The "old fashioned," but more easily understood approach is to have two tracks visible in your project--a MIDI file, and its associated Audio track.  You can clearly see what to do with the MIDI track as you edit it in the PRV.  You can clearly see what's going on in the Audio track as you perhaps add audio FX to its FX bin.

When you want to bounce to audio, you select the two things and go for it.  The logic of what you're doing is reflected graphically.  MIDI is data which drives a synth, and that synth's audio is coming out of the audio channel.  Obviously both the MIDI and it's audio channel have to be engaged in order for it to result in a bounced audio track.

But that's all re: traditional MIDI.  REX files are a bit different since MIDI events are triggering either whole  parts of an audio file, or single slices of that same file. 

It helps if the basic concepts of how MIDI and Audio interact are understood, then how to render files, and knowing what's going on is grasped - Surprises of how to work and why it works are then cleared up.

As you sed, Neiby--"... I was only selecting the audio track, not audio and MIDI. When I selected both, I was able to bounce them to a new track without getting the error..."

Right - You need both tracks, since the MIDI is triggering the synth which in turn is playing through the audio track.  You can't get the "no audio" error--because you Have engaged the entire package--the data along with the resulting audio.

Glad to have been of assistance!

RB

Great info Randy.

And just for informational purposes you CAN bounce to track if you simply click on the MIDI track (and not even the track number) as the video I posted shows, but once you groove clip or mess with in certain (unknown by me) ways you then have to choose both tracks. Not sure what's up but it's repeatable. And maybe not that important as I'll use your method from now on.

ba_midi

Great info Randy. And just for informational purposes you CAN bounce to track if you simply click on the MIDI track (and not even the track number) as the video I posted shows, but once you groove clip or mess with in certain (unknown by me) ways you then have to choose both tracks. Not sure what's up but it's repeatable. And maybe not that important as I'll use your method from now on.

My solution is simple:  I never use Simple Instrument Tracks in Sonar LOL.   Other hosts implement it much more elegantly (and functionally).   I have other reasons I don't like to use SIT's - even in other hosts (though some other hosts ONLY have SITs).

But some people like/love SITs, so to each his own.

Billy I don't use SIT's either.

You must not have watched that vid I posted. It shows a MIDI and an associated audio track, not an SIT, with just the MIDI track header (not the number) clicked and it bounced OK. Just thought it was interesting. If I mess with the clip it then needs to have both tracks selected. Again no big deal just thought it was interesting.

Hmm, interersting Larry.   Maybe because you select "track" AS THE SOURCE.

I have to try that, maybe it works that way and always have LOL.

Did you record that video?  And if so, how did you get your voice in there using JING if I may ask?

I actually wanna do some tutorial type Sonar videos and haven't figured out how to record the voice with the screen capture.

Any help would be appreciated (sorry to steal the thread lol).