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How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
I don't know a lot of music. I am more a computer guy, but I love music anyway. I am struggling with loops. After purchasing a bigfishaudio package (rex and wav files), I posted them a question about how to change the pitch (or the tone) of a clip. Say it is a D chord. As per the theory, I can change it. However, Sonar X3 only offers the option to change to regular tones (A,B,C,D,E,F,G) to other regular tones or sharps. So, how can I change D to D7, or a D min? Bigfishaudio offered me the following translation: Cmaj = Amin Dmaj = Bmin Emaj = C#min Fmaj = Dmin Gmaj = Emin Amaj = F#min Bmaj = G#min
it looks as if they are saying that I can get an Emin out of Gmaj. However, I don't have Gmaj, or a G7 if I need it. Notice that in this list, they don't mention C min, Amin, etc. I appreciate any help from you guys.
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Boydie
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 04:41:12
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I am not completely understanding your question I THINK you are saying that you have purchased a sample CD that only contains basic Major chords? Their "answer" of saying that the "relative minor" is the same as the major chord is absolutely incorrect! If you have upgraded to Melodyne Editor then you could achieve what you want using the "polyphonic" pitch correction This could (in theory) allow you to select relevant tones within the chord and move them around to create Minors, 7ths, etc. I am not familiar with this type of sample CD so hopefully others will be able to expand and come up with other options for you
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 05:18:19
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I know this is not a reply to what you ask for - so just ignore if not liking it. As described it seems you are trying to use a product for something beyond it's intention. Even if you are new to creating music you would get results sooner in this way: a) single note libraries of some kind b) use midi fx plugins that let you create chords for you until you learn to play your own coloring.
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 06:15:20
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If you have relatively clean guitar or piano chords you can change individual notes of a chord with quite good results with Melodyne Editor, so I have heard. If there is distortion, reverb, or other effects you may run out of luck. Melodyne is, anyway, the only way to change, say, a D to D7. Simple pitch change, OTOH, can be done in many ways and with many VSTs. Anyway, trying to make songs by changing individual notes of basic chord samples is so slow and tedious that you're 100% sure to loose your inspiration! Getting a guitar VST like RealStrat or similar is the way to go, IMO, if you're not recording your own guitar.
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 06:53:11
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so it is the music theory you don't understand or if it is possible for your sample pack? ie if you want D7 do you know it's a D major chord with the seventh (C natural) in it somewhere? if not then the only answer is study! if you do, then must samplers can change the pitch of a note/chord but not element within it depending on what your source material is...if your sample is a D chord the easiest thing to do to get a seventh would be to add in the C note with a different instrument...Sonar comes with plenty of options for that...
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 10:21:05
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Well... as has been alluded to here, you are going to have a heck of a time trying to manipulate an audio chord to go from major to minor. However I have a suggestion that probably won't work and would be rather time consuming but might be an interesting experiment. If you add a low E to a G major chord technically you will create an Emin7 chord. If the samples of the chords are all consistent what you could try doing is take the E Major chord sample, look up what frequency on the frequency spectrum the primary tone of E in the chord is (there are plenty of charts detailing the frequency in hertz of various notes) then use a narrow band EQ to isolate the E note while eliminating all other frequency (the overtones that create the quality of the chord). Then create two tracks. In one put your G Major chord sample and in the second put your new E note sample. Blend the levels until they sound right and bounce them to a single audio file. Now you have an Emin7 chord. You will want a very precise EQ for the extractions and might want to add some other effects like compression to smooth the new chords out before bouncing. This however likely will not sound ideal but could give you an idea of how notes relate to frequencies and how various chords of different qualities are created. Thing is though there are plenty of MIDI tools and techniques to create any chord you want using any instrument you want. You can then bounce what you've come up with to audio so they can be manipulated like a regular audio clips or sample. To take this even further you can use this EQing method to isolate specific notes or intervals of chords that appear in other chords and again use multiple tracks to blend and bounce to create a new sample.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 10:44:06
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That might well help in isolating the fundamental Beep, but what about all the overtones & harmonics?
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 10:55:51
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That's why it'd be best to find a chord that uses a few notes of the desired chord like the G to Emin7 example. Then you get more of the natural interplay. However with a bit more work it might be possible to isolate some of the overtones in the EQ note extraction phase by using multiple bands. This however would require a more in depth knowledge/study of specific note frequencies so you can isolate the overtones at the 5th interval and whatnot. Using a frequency analyzer would be useful to see where the overtones of specific notes lay. That however would have to be done with single notes played on the sample instrument... not derived from the chord. Like if it's a guitar sample play that note on a guitar and look for the spikes. If they match up in the chord sample then include those frequncies and use your ears to double check. Certainly not pretty and I doubt it would sound all that great but it's an interesting thing to think about. I may play around with this at some point just out of curiosity.
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Beepster
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 11:01:40
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Seriously though that is all theoretical hackery. There may be too much overlap of tones/overtones to be effective. Just got me thinking. I'm assuming it would be easier with some instruments than others.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 11:09:47
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As you say, theoretically interesting, but not very practical. Wrong tool for the job.
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Beepster
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 11:19:09
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I've never used pitch correction (yet) but it also strikes me that if you did indeed know where tones and overtones laid on the spectrum it wouldn't be that difficult to isolate the third or whatever and adjust it a semitone to where it needs to be. In fact I think I've seen this done in one of the plethora of tutorials I've watched. Perhaps going in reverse (kind of) of what I contemplated here would be better. Find a chord that has similar properties to the one you want to achieve (in this case lets do G to Gmin). Use eqing to remove the major third and as many of the thirds overtones as possible. Then copy the track and reverse the EQ so only the removed tones/overtones are audible then use pitch correction to bring them down a semitone to achieve the minor third. Blend both tracks and the now lowered third should create Gmin.
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Re: How to convert the audio clip of a chord to a 7th. or a minor
2013/10/17 11:23:01
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Bristol_Jonesey As you say, theoretically interesting, but not very practical. Wrong tool for the job.
Indeed. There are so many MIDI options with things like DimPro getting a decent chord sound for almost any instrument is simple. One thing that is curious about all this though... what kind of patch set limits the chord qualities in this manner? Seems kind of useless being completely stuck using Major chords.
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