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How to create your own Sonar theme

The new Tungsten theme in Sonar is stored in a file TungstenTheme.fth located in C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum. This file is a Windows DLL containing the images and colors as resources. You can edit it with resource tools like Resource Hacker.
 
So, to edit an existing theme or create your own theme, you simply make a copy of the file TungstenTheme.fth and replace the PNG resource images with modified versions or your own images. The name and description for the theme is in the string table resource 1242. However, you may need to do any editing outside of the Sonar folder, because the Program Files folder has restrictions for editing files.
 
BTW, the original theme (now called Mercury) is in the file TTSImage.dll.
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 06:23:32 (permalink)
i'm surprised they haven't got rid of the embedded resource paradigm for the new ui themes

just a sec

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 06:43:28 (permalink)
Quite complicated for someone with zero understanding of editing. All I want to do is change everything orange to a different color...

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 07:22:38 (permalink)
Cakewalk announced that there will be a theme editor later. But I guess this still will require to edit every image that uses a particular color you want to change.
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 09:56:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby joel77 2016/07/14 15:38:29
 
Ralf, that was a useful input. I decided to give it a quick try on my Sonar X1 LE version I still have so that I don't screw up anything big time on my S-Platinum. Guess what, it turned out quite impressive for me. I ended up creating a multicolored theme for the console view. But I would admit this is quite a tedious route as I had to literally scroll to each object and try to figure out which part it belonged to. Anyways, here's my Multi-coloured console theme 
 
 


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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 18:09:51 (permalink)
I'd be pretty happy to have the fx bin plugs match the track color automatically when you choose a track color.
 
Were you able to adjust the fix bin plugs, ramscapri?
 
 
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 19:53:32 (permalink)
ramscapri:
 
That image you posted didn't post right. It's just a blank. I would like to see what you came up with, so you can maybe share it with the community.
 
Can you repost to get the image to come out right?


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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 20:00:15 (permalink)
So.... Can that be used to change the FX on/off grey(s) to (an)other color(s) that users have requested for over a year?

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 20:08:59 (permalink)
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i'm surprised they haven't got rid of the embedded resource paradigm for the new ui themes



Its actually the most efficient and preferred way to reference resources rather than loading thousands of external image files. It would prohibitively slow down the time to start the app and be far more error prone if something gets corrupted.
Our theme editor automatically handles this so there is no reason to use external tools.

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 20:32:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jshep0102 2016/05/28 11:16:03
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Our theme editor automatically handles this so there is no reason to use external tools.


This is pretty much the same conclusion I came to when I started to use resource hacker to view the images in the TungstenTheme.fth file.   There are hundreds of them...  I just don't have that kind of time to go through and modify each one.....
 
I am just going to wait for the theme editor. 

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 20:35:51 (permalink)
Duckbar owners fear not.


Just installed Dark Side 2015 theme and it replaced the default Mercury. So now I can change seamlessly between Tungsten and my favorite Panu Dark Side 2015 !!


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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/27 23:38:53 (permalink)
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Our theme editor automatically handles this so there is no reason to use external tools.


This is pretty much the same conclusion I came to when I started to use resource hacker to view the images in the TungstenTheme.fth file.   There are hundreds of them...  I just don't have that kind of time to go through and modify each one.....
 
I am just going to wait for the theme editor. 




Well the theme editor will make it convenient but won't do the work for you. Creating a theme is a lot of work even for an experienced graphics designer.

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/28 08:31:59 (permalink)
By the way, importing my previously (and tediously!) performed Duckbar mods works great in the Tungsten theme. Simply use the "Replace Resource" function in Resource Hacker to load your existing custom png's into TungstenTheme.fth.

It's tedious because you have to do each modified resource one at a time. I wonder if there's a batch method in Resource Hacker? I didn't investigate that.

Anyway, it works great until the Cakewalk theme editor comes out.
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/28 10:40:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jshep0102 2016/05/28 11:17:13
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I'd be pretty happy to have the fx bin plugs match the track color automatically when you choose a track color.
 
Were you able to adjust the fix bin plugs, ramscapri?
 
 
?
 




Jshep0102, what I did was quite a rough cut which was just by changing PNGs within the resource .dll file using resource hacker application. And I didn't get to the fx bin plugs, just haven't figured out yet where they exactly are in the resource file. This was a very tedious approach.
 
As you can see, it simply applied the changed PNGs to the various section blocks in the console view. This simply works as a one time option to the default theme which affects all tracks in the view in the same way. Now, the live point-in-time changes to the various elements like track strips, clips, console view blocks, fx plug colors, etc., matching the chosen track color will have to be based on internal coding which tells Sonar to change the colors in that manner. I do understand what the logic needs to be but as I am not a software programmer, I haven't been able to figure out where this coding is done or how it could be changed. But that's what the coders in CW have achieved and I believe they intend to enhance it further to a point where they could provide us users easy to use front-end tools to do the job.
 
So I guess we got to wait till we get those tools and I eagerly look forward to that from the bakers... "Tungsten" is an amazing start to the world of UI customization... 

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/28 10:44:18 (permalink)
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ramscapri:
 
That image you posted didn't post right. It's just a blank. I would like to see what you came up with, so you can maybe share it with the community.
 
Can you repost to get the image to come out right?




 
Thomas, the image does appear visible to me. Could be some error ? Anyways, re-posting here again :
 
 


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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/28 10:53:46 (permalink)
 
 
Here's one where I just modified the color of the meters in console view of Tungsten theme to a sort of dark maroon shade. Again, it just applies to all the tracks similarly and I don't yet know how to change them on a track-to-track basis :
 
 


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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/28 10:59:47 (permalink)
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By the way, importing my previously (and tediously!) performed Duckbar mods works great in the Tungsten theme. Simply use the "Replace Resource" function in Resource Hacker to load your existing custom png's into TungstenTheme.fth.

It's tedious because you have to do each modified resource one at a time. I wonder if there's a batch method in Resource Hacker? I didn't investigate that.

Anyway, it works great until the Cakewalk theme editor comes out.



 
You bet its tedious. Fully agree. Moreover, it seemed to me that not all resources are in TungstenTheme.fth.
Somehow, I had a feeling that a lot of them were set from an existing default which are absent in this .fth. Maybe they are only in some default .dll.
Or well, I might have just overlooked them when scrolling through the seemingly endless lists... 

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/28 11:10:46 (permalink)
ramscapri - thanks for getting back to me. I am looking to change the 'shell' the plugs are housed in. 4 plugs on a track - 4 shells. It would be great if these would follow the color assigned to a track. The power button maintaining it's color would be good imo, as it would show up nicely for quick fx/off/on. My pic shows how track colors are implemented, but looking up to the fx area, there's no separation - a blob of orange. This is the only place that bothers me having all one color. Pic gives an idea. Scrolling the Console up, there are 2-3 more plugs per track. Kind of a 'sea of orange' after a while... 
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/28 11:30:09 (permalink)
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You bet its tedious. Fully agree. Moreover, it seemed to me that not all resources are in TungstenTheme.fth.
Somehow, I had a feeling that a lot of them were set from an existing default which are absent in this .fth. Maybe they are only in some default .dll.
Or well, I might have just overlooked them when scrolling through the seemingly endless lists... 


I think it seems true not all the resources are in TungstenTheme.fth because some of my Duckbar resources that I modified did not exist in the Tungsten file. The default resource file (or use to be) is the TTSRES.dll file that still appears in the installation, so maybe some of those are still used? Or maybe those resources were dropped in the Tungsten version?

There is also TTSImage.dll installed now. I haven't looked into what it contains, but ralf up top thought it was the Mercury theme resources. I disagree at least partly, because Duckbar installs my themes into Mercury just fine, and Duckbar only uses TTSRES.dll to my knowledge.

As far as getting FX bin containers to match track colors, that will be a tough one if not impossible. Previously these were static resources in TTSRES.dll that were easily changed to get rid of the non-descript greys. But since they're static, I don't think the Sonar executable would have a way to dynamicall modify them. That is, there may be no exe colors associated with them. But what do I know!

Edited because I hit "Post" instead of "Preview" by mistake.
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/28 11:42:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jshep0102 2016/05/28 14:41:23
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ramscapri - thanks for getting back to me. I am looking to change the 'shell' the plugs are housed in. 4 plugs on a track - 4 shells. It would be great if these would follow the color assigned to a track. The power button maintaining it's color would be good imo, as it would show up nicely for quick fx/off/on. My pic shows how track colors are implemented, but looking up to the fx area, there's no separation - a blob of orange. This is the only place that bothers me having all one color. Pic gives an idea. Scrolling the Console up, there are 2-3 more plugs per track. Kind of a 'sea of orange' after a while... 
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I see what you mean and agree that if the fx plugs in the fx bin of both the track view and console view adopt the user color choice for the track (just like the clips in track view adopting it), that would make it visually so consistent. But that's where I think it involves giving instructions to Sonar at the coding level to make that happen in real time. Its like how the clips change color instantly in the track view when scrolling over the track color pallete even before you have made your choice.
 
At the moment, its clear that in the Tungsten theme, the fx plugs in all the track fx bins have been set to take the common orange color. The modification in the code that would be required is to instruct Sonar to apply user track color choices to fx plugs too in a similar way as it applies it to the clips. Now this at the moment can be done only by the coders in CW. I am hoping that such level of customization will be available to the users when we get the complete tools for UI themes.
 
Till then, I guess we have a great start with Tungsten, and can see this developing further really well... cheers to the bakers 

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/29 16:39:42 (permalink)
for some reason the "in development" page doesn't have the theme editor on it anymore.
the one "we will give you the tools to design your own themes"

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for some reason the "in development" page doesn't have the theme editor on it anymore.
the one "we will give you the tools to design your own themes"


In prep for the Big Announcement????
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chuckebaby
for some reason the "in development" page doesn't have the theme editor on it anymore.
the one "we will give you the tools to design your own themes"


In prep for the Big Announcement????




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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/30 15:29:06 (permalink)
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So.... Can that be used to change the FX on/off grey(s) to (an)other color(s) that users have requested for over a year?




To answer my own question, the answer to this is yes. Without getting into too much detail, the "TTSRES.dll" file (prior to the new theme release this drives the UI for each version installed) contains the following 3 PNG files (left tree directory using the app in the OP), which color the FX bin buttons - 13076, 13078, and 13084. The purpose of each png and colors of each file (left to right) are:
 
13076 - FX on/off state - 2 colors - left color = ON, right color =OFF
13078 - Interaction with the FX bin item when it is enabled - 3 colors - left color = hover power button, middle color = on click for the FX name (when opening the FX UI), right color = hovering over the FX name
13084 - Interaction with the FX bin item when it is disabled - 3 colors - left color = hover power button, middle color = on click for the FX name (when opening the FX UI), right color = hovering over the FX name
 
I set mine to ON = pastel green, OFF = light grey (which does not conflict with default text), and used those same colors in the left portion of 13078/13084 accordingly, i.e.:
 
13076 - pastel green, grey
13078 - grey (intending to turn ON->OFF), pastel yellow, pastel blue
13084 - pastel green (intending to turn OFF->ON), pastel yellow, pastel blue
 
Bear in mind that the TTSRES.dll file is deployed with SONAR during installations/updates, so any modifications you do to this will be overwritten, so back up your work!
 
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/05/30 15:48:22 (permalink)
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for some reason the "in development" page doesn't have the theme editor on it anymore.
the one "we will give you the tools to design your own themes"




 
Yeah, I noticed that too. But I don't think that it would be out of the pipeline though. I trust the bakers would have this as one of the top of the list items to deliver considering the huge response received for new theme possibilities. I suspect some delay from the original schedule for release was foreseen, but I sure hope its coming through soon considering "Tungsten" has been released setting the path. Till then, lets enjoy this one and its low-scale possibilities. Large scale options will have to wait for the full blown UI Theme Editor which I hope will show up as a separate module within Sonar 
 
For now, how about a Fire-meter console 
 

 

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/07/13 08:14:47 (permalink)
I observed that inside PNG folder of TTSImage.dll and TungstenTheme.thf, the same numbers are actually same targeted icon sets, strange that not all numbered items are present in both theme files though :|

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/07/13 11:05:55 (permalink)
Who cares what colour It Is as long as It works!!
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/07/13 11:34:42 (permalink)
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for some reason the "in development" page doesn't have the theme editor on it anymore.
the one "we will give you the tools to design your own themes"


it's here http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Rolling-Updates#In-The-Oven


 
i'm suprised it hasn't been released yet, as hacking dll's isn't comfortable for everyone

just a sec

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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/07/13 11:43:33 (permalink)
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chuckebaby
for some reason the "in development" page doesn't have the theme editor on it anymore.
the one "we will give you the tools to design your own themes"


it's here http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Rolling-Updates#In-The-Oven


 
i'm suprised it hasn't been released yet, as hacking dll's isn't comfortable for everyone

 
at the time of that post (a month and a half ago)
it wasn't up there. their page must have been in transition or something.
thanks
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Re: How to create your own Sonar theme 2016/07/13 12:04:40 (permalink)
pwalpwal 
i'm suprised it hasn't been released yet, as hacking dll's isn't comfortable for everyone



It's not going to be released until Cakewalk is confident it will do what people want. That said, stay tuned...

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