vladasyn
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How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
Hey, guys
Is there a way to make song END? I recorded the volume automation on one track and it has green line tail for another 40 measures past the end of the wav clip. Is there a way to assign the end of a song to certain measure? If I bounce it like this it will have silent empty space at the end of the song. Thank you.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 00:19:57
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There's probably an easier way, but you can go to the end of the tail, click and hold on the dot at the end and drag it back to where you want the song to end. If the end of the envelope isn't at -INF (no volume), double click on the line right at the end of the wave clip so you don't change the volume in the actual clip while you are repositioning the end of the envelope.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 00:27:24
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Thank you for your reply. There is no "last" dot, other words- there is last dot that controls volume but after it, it continues to have green line ............................................................................................ indefinitely for like 40 measures. There is no way to create another dot- if I would, it will still have line after.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 00:33:54
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Not to be nit picky, but you haven't found the end of it at all? Does it go from solid to dotted at some point?
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 00:41:16
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Well- there solid fat line that connects large dots which show level numbers and can be moved. Then there is skinny small dotted line that goes between parts. Lets say- song continues and I touch the volume- it creates 2-3 large dots. I touch is again 2 minutes later- it creates another 2-3 dots, but there small dotted line going between and after. So at the end it is small dotted line that just continues.............................................................................................
It ends at measure 317 with no last large dot. But song ends at lets say 267 (much earlier).
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 00:46:15
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Try to left click and hold on the very end of the line at measure 317 and drag it back.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 00:47:57
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Every Volume automation ought to have at least 2 'nodes'. A beginning and end. Nodes in between are your 'riders'. The dots shows there is no automation and will display like 'infinity'.
I suspect there is some other value data causing that 40 extra measures.
If nothing else can be found in another track, or the like, then assume its a glitch of computer data causing a file corruption.
Delete the automation envelope and try again
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 00:56:40
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 01:06:29
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SimpleManZ
Every Volume automation ought to have at least 2 'nodes'. A beginning and end. Nodes in between are your 'riders'. The dots shows there is no automation and will display like 'infinity'.
I suspect there is some other value data causing that 40 extra measures.
If nothing else can be found in another track, or the like, then assume its a glitch of computer data causing a file corruption.
Delete the automation envelope and try again
That's what I was thinking... something in another track keeping it "open".
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 01:58:34
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Well- it is after the nodes- same dotted line at the beginning of the track before the first clip and after the last clip. However- I need to be able to set the end of the song. It happens almost in every song. I cant tell how it happens- either it is continuous midi recording without any notes or clip produced or old track that was deleted. There is no data. There is no MIDI tracks- it just has extra space and when I bounce it, the song comes up with huge file size and empty space at the end. And there is no way to get rid of this space? No "Delete measures"? When I edit or master the track in another software, I can split the empty end of the stereo track, but it makes these huge files that take hard drive space and extra work to shorten. If there is no function, Cakewalk team may consider to creat such an option. Very desired.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 05:34:10
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If you mark the timeline with the length of the song (when you bounce), you should not get that empty part at the end. It will not remove the dotted automation line, but will bounce only the length you have selected.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 05:47:12
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A dotted section of an envelope does not contribute to length of project.
Something else is causing it.
Check for data in hidden / archived tracks, tempo changes, meter/key changes, markers etc. Also check your busses for similar events.
There is ALWAYS something causing the project to play longer than expected.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 08:14:46
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Regardless of all the methods currently available. I agree there should be something simple to create an "END" to a song.
A menu item that allows you to put in the end of a song in either time or measure/beat that truncates everything at whatever point you put in wold be great.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 10:00:26
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/05/01 10:20:02
Check the event view for MIDI events that are located after where you think the end should be. Sometimes isolated MIDI CC or other events hang around and because their's no note to go with them they can be hard to spot in the track or piano roll views.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 10:06:21
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Yea, this is one of those frustrating aspects of SONAR - although every piece of software seems to have these frustrations. I don't worry about it anymore and just highlight the length when I bounce/export.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 10:36:24
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/05/01 11:24:50
Some possible strategies:
To find the offending event/clip/node, hit Ctrl+End, zoom to max, and check all tracks.
To delete whatever is there without knowing what it is, set Now where you think the piece should end, Set From = Now, then Set Thru = End (I have them keybound to non-defaults), and then Delete Special, checking everything.
To export a file of desired length without fixing the end, Select the desired range in the timeline before exporting...
OR (my preference)
Bounce the master bus to a track, slip-edit the end of the bounce back to where you want it, Bounce to Clips, and export just that track (Source = Tracks) with the clip selected to establish the time range. In this case, I recommend you set the Output of the bounce track direct to Main Outs so it plays just like the live mix when soloed or A/Bed against the Master bus.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/01 14:34:32
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Check the event view for MIDI events that are located after where you think the end should be. Sometimes isolated MIDI CC or other events hang around and because their's no note to go with them they can be hard to spot in the track or piano roll views. Thank you for your replies. My understanding is that any MIDI data on a track would create a clip disregarding of what data it is. If I use Mod wheel or CC or PG or a pedal, it creates preview on a track. All tracks appear empty- there is no microscopic events hiding somewhere at the end- I dont think it would require zoom to see if something was there- it would be visible on a track, wouldn't it? Bounce the master bus to a track, slip-edit the end of the bounce back to where you want it, Bounce to Clips, and export just that track (Source = Tracks) with the clip selected to establish the time range. In this case, I recommend you set the Output of the bounce track direct to Main Outs so it plays just like the live mix when soloed or A/Bed against the Master bus. How do I normally create final stereo track from multitrack? I used to "select none" and it would mix everything I need. I never attempted to bounce just Master bus to a track. Also if I have to bounce it to the clip, it sounds to me like 2 bounces or 2 times processing- it can not be good for a wav file. May be it is... I guess I can select what I am bouncing and how long, also it is difficult (I have to figure out Set From = Now, then Set Thru = End options). It would be easier if I could just select the empty 40 measures and delete them but it does not delete them. Some how it stops at 300 measure, I just need to move it closer and stop sooner.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/02 03:58:26
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Do a select all (ctrl + a), then sweep in the time ruler at the top from 'beginning' to 'end' to encompass the range you want for your mixdown
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/02 04:54:48
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I have had the same thing happen to me, what it turned out to be for me was a recording take that I had not realised was recorded on a new take lane and it went way longer than anything else in the song.
Check all take lanes they can cause a lot of Grief!!! and they hide the pesky buggers!
Mine was a take lane full of silence for longer than the song but somehow I never saw it.
Took ages to work it out.
I would prefer they get rid of take lanes they are a PITA!!
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/02 11:38:55
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It was mentioned in a post above, but why wouldn't either of these 2 methods work?
First Method
1. CTRL+A to select all tracks
2. Set FROM time to beginning of song
3. Locate the proper end of the song, and set THROUGH time to that location on the time line.
4. Do your export, and it should only pick up the targeted range of data - avoiding picking up that trailing silence.
Second Method
1. CTRL+A to select all tracks and data
2. Set the FROM time to wherever what you want to be the song end is on the time line/.
3. Set the THROUGH time to the actual end of all of that silent space. (so, the goal is to select all tracks and data for the silent parts, the section AFTER where you consider the song to be at the end.
4. Delete everything in the targeted data - which is all the silent stuff.
5. Now do CTRL+A again to select all tracks and data - this will get all of your desired song data selected.
6. Do your export, and it should have only your desired data, AND you should have eliminated whatever was goofed up, because you deleted everything in the silent section past the actual end of your song.
Please note that prior to doing any of the above, I would suggest backing up the project.
I have never had one of these past the end data issues, but I don't know why either of the above wouldn't work. (does targeted deletion of data delete automation data too?)
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/02 11:42:51
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My understanding is that any MIDI data on a track would create a clip disregarding of what data it is. If I use Mod wheel or CC or PG or a pedal, it creates preview on a track. All tracks appear empty- there is no microscopic events hiding somewhere at the end- I dont think it would require zoom to see if something was there- it would be visible on a track, wouldn't it.
A single CC/program change command will indeed create a clip. MIDI clips however are the size of their contents. If that CC is a single isolated instance without any notes present that clip can be tiny, maybe a 1/64th note or smaller, which occupies a minute vertical line in track view even when zoomed. Wven if there is a note, again the clip might only be the length of the note, which if it's short enough again "disappears" in track view. Which is where the event view comes in handy for spotting things like this.
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Re: How to get rid of automation tail to make song END?
2015/05/02 17:24:56
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As soon as I add an automation envelope, I go to the end of the song an use the razor tool to kill the last dot. One reason is the problem above. Another reason is that if I add a node I want the volume at that node: I don't want the node to be the beginning of a slope to the end.
A related problem: sometimes I have clips that look blank but go way beyond the end of the song and I don't seem to be able to split and delete. I'll take some screen shots the next time that happens.
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