How to quickly change audio clip level without envelopes?

I don't think you can get it from the clip's context menu any more (if you ever could...?). In X1, at least, you have to go to Process > Apply Effect > Gain in the main menu.

EDIT: On re-reading, I see it was my imagination that you were trying to do it from the context menu. It still works as it always did, except that the Process menu option is now "Apply Effect" instead of "Audio" as it used to be.

Ok, I've found a work-around:
Open the clip audio fx bin, and insert Channel Tools. It has simple level cut and boost presets.

This is a really clunky way of changing an audio clip level (especially compared to the pre-X1 way). You have to insert and fx bin, insert Cannel Tools, and after processing get rid of the fx bin again.

Cakewalk... what were you thinking??

You can still increase or decrease the level of a clip by your choice of dbs using the audio/gain function.  I'm not at my DAW right now but look under Edit or Effects in the Toolbar.  I have keybound "G" to this function.  Makes it easy peasy.

Add Nodes at selection is gone as far as I can tell

It's not a command anymore. You just drag a selection across the envelope and then drag up or down towards the top of the the envelope. It's a bit hard to explain... Here's the manual excerpt for doing this:

To raise/lower an envelope across a time range
1.
Set the track’s Edit Filter control to the desired automation parameter (Track Automation or Clip Automation).

2.
Drag in the time ruler to select the duration of the envelope that you want to raise/lower.

3.
Do one of the following:

○
With the Smart tool , position the pointer within the selection near the top center of the track/clip, then drag up/down.

○
With the Move tool , position the pointer within the selection, then drag up/down.

Regarding changing audio clip levels without envelopes, I like the Channel Tools solution, or the Sonitus EQ. The EQ has a gain slider on it, so you can use it as a gain without changing any eq settings.

Bub


Add Nodes at selection is gone as far as I can tell, that's a huge downer.

If I'm wrong and it's there, please let me know where it is.

Position your mouse away from the envelope (usually underneath) so that the mouse looks like a cross (without arrows). Click/drag to make a selection.

Now position your mouse near the top of the clip (so the mouse looks like a cross with arrows). Click and hold to create nodes. While still holding, drag up/down to move the envelope segment.

It's very quick and easy once you get used to it.

Scott

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Plazma

yorolpal


You can still increase or decrease the level of a clip by your choice of dbs using the audio/gain function.  I'm not at my DAW right now but look under Edit or Effects in the Toolbar.  I have keybound "G" to this function.  Makes it easy peasy.

Hehe, that's how it used to be. There ain't no more audio under Process/Edit.
And I don't see any effects in the control bar...

Click on the clip to highlight it. Hit your middle mouse button to pull up the smart tool. The option to change clip gain is in there somewhere.

Bub

Plazma

yorolpal


You can still increase or decrease the level of a clip by your choice of dbs using the audio/gain function.  I'm not at my DAW right now but look under Edit or Effects in the Toolbar.  I have keybound "G" to this function.  Makes it easy peasy.

Hehe, that's how it used to be. There ain't no more audio under Process/Edit.
And I don't see any effects in the control bar...

Click on the clip to highlight it. Hit your middle mouse button to pull up the smart tool. The option to change clip gain is in there somewhere.

It is not - where did you see it?

I think I've discovered a new bug. Let's see if we can duplicate this problem.

Using any audio clip, do the following:
1. Select the audio clip, right-click on the audio clip and select Process Effect/Audio Effect.
2. Select Channel Tools and choose any preset.
3. Sonar crashes.

Bub, you wanna try this please?

Bub


I tried adding the Channel Tool as a clip effect and it worked ok for me.

For the clip gain ...

Click on the clip to highlight.
Bring up the smart tool
At the bottom left of the smart tool box click the drop down menu and select 'Clip Automation' and it's right there. Looking at it now. :)

Cool, you're right, and it does the job. Thanks man.

Mark the clip.
Process -> Apply effect -> Gain:
You can add 3, 4 or 7 or 10,5 (or just any number) dB to the clip without using envelopes.
Other methode:
Normalise the clip to -5 or -4 or -7,2 dB 
 
I'd make a keybinding for "Gain" and just press "j" for adding a few dB to a clip. It's so easy in Sonar.

Man I love reading this forum....you guys inadvertently gave a whole new slant on wave editing....

Thanks

stickman393

What do you do if your envelope is positioned at the top of the clip?

Same thing, except your mouse will be position just underneath the envelope. You'll see it change to a cross with arrows when you move just beneath it.

Scott

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No, you need to do the selection first as I mentioned in my first post. Do the selection with non-arrow cross (somewhere underneath the envelope). Then do the click and hold... and then drag with the arrow cross near the top of the clip (but this time just underneath the envelope).

Scott

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The number of posts in this (and similar) threads is testament again I'm afraid to the travails many of us are suffering.  Looking back over the last few weeks I find that I've been through a large number of phases with X1:
(1) Slow to upgrade from 8.5 due to the hurricane of early users' tales of woe and bugs.
(2) Toe in the water.  Bought Scot's book and the Groove videos to help me.
(3) Started work on a new project in X1 - lots of cussing and headbanging as I found almost all my ways of working in 8.5 were now lengthier in terms of mouse moves and keystrokes.  Sometimes it seemed that commands had almost been deliberately buried.
(4) Calmed down.  Lots of very intelligent people had put X1 together and must have my interests at heart.  The fault must be mine.
(5) Must buckle down, try harder.  The end must be in sight, i.e. I'll soon see the big workflow benefits that I just hadn't cottoned to.
(6) Must treat X1 like a brand new DAW.
(7) Couple of weeks later: no blinding insights transpire.  No workflow improvements appear, but all the old obstacles are still there.  Net benefit situation: very much in the negative.
(8) Report very bad change on 8.5 - that clicking on a MIDI clip opens PRV with all notes selected!  Who could possibly want that?  Reply received from Cakewalk: "Feature.  Intended".  Oh boy...I'm now getting seriously out of tune with CW.
(9) My experience above seems to be echoed on some forum posts, i.e. clunky new 'features' (pointless changes to 8.5) are stubbornly left out of QuickFixes as CW adopt a teutonic approach: "Zese are features.  You vill accept zis!!"  
(10) Proficiency rises in terms of seeing what X1 is all about.  But...a terrible realisation: it's not what I'm about.  Sonar was (for me) the best DAW out there for many years.  It's now morphed into something bizarre.
(11) I need to go through the DAW selection process I went through eight years ago, try demos and choose the one that feels right for me.  I've tried this new one called Sonar X1.  Maybe after trying some others I'll settle for X1, dunno.

 

stickman393So here I have a clip envelope at the top of the clip; I highlight a selection; move the mouse to just below the envelope; and then click-drag down. The selection disappears and the entire envelope is lowered.

I usually try to refrain from advising users they need to work differently to solve a problem, but IMO you should almost never find yourself in a situation where your track volume or clip gain envelope is at the very top of the track/clip, which represents +6dB. In most cases, you should be starting with your those envelopes at a nominal 0dB, and using Track Gain to to increase the "input" level (up to +18dB) from the audio clips as needed to bring up the overall level. Then you would rarely, if ever, encounter this problem with ediitng envelopes at the top of the clip (at least, not for level-editing)


For the record, I'm finding that I can't create nodes at selection with the cursor below the envelope line, either, but at all levels up to +5.5dB, there is still enough room at the top of the track with the track maximized to click above the envelope to create the nodes.