bermuda,

This won't do it. Read the posts by aaronk and you'll see - it's the internal parameters that are randomized and don't "line up" on subsequent playback...

Nice post, nprime.

I would really like to hear someone from CW give us the technical explanation of why it is apparently not possible. I presume that it is impossible to implement because they have not been able to make it happen for many, many years now. And yet they must be aware that it is possibly the most commonly asked question by new users.

This is one of the great mysteries of our time.

They can ask Eugene Muzychenko here how he did it over there

(for the ones that won't click on the "here" here's the URL again - http://nrcde.ru/music/software/eng/vac.html )

I would really like to hear someone from CW give us the technical explanation of why it is apparently not possible. I presume that it is impossible to implement because they have not been able to make it happen for many, many years now. And yet they must be aware that it is possibly the most commonly asked question by new users.

This is one of the great mysteries of our time.

Hypothetically, older soft synths probably DIDN'T have the sophistication of newer ones, so capturing MIDI data probably sufficed.

Clearly, SONAR can record and play back at the same time -- a realtime bounce does this. So I have to think the only reason for not allowing a synth output to route to an audio record track is a failure to see any benefit.

I admit I did not read this post through, but I think I have the solution for your issue.
Download Audacity (a free recorder/"DAW" software). It's nowhere near any serious DAW in power and features.
But it will record what the sound card outputs.
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Get the free Voxengo Recorder VST here:

http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/

I haven't used the export function in Sonar for years.

ORIGINAL: 2re

Get the free Voxengo Recorder VST here:

http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/

I haven't used the export function in Sonar for years.

I will check it out, thanks!

ORIGINAL: bermuda


Record Automation (i.e. the knob, and fader movements)

This does not capture a lot of stuff (for instance the EGs in Dimentia Pro) and although we are talking about "jamming" here, you cannot copy and paste automation envelopes along with their clips.

Nick

If Cakewalk would let the VST out be used as an audio in, there would be no issues.

It occurs to me that, in general, allowing the output of any synth, audio or bus to be the input of an audio track would streamline a lot of things.

Yes, I know about freezing synths, bouncing tracks, applying audio effects, etc. All nice tools. But in each case, all we're doing is creating an audio track.

Why not be able to do this with a simple patch? That would be intuitive, quick, easy, and useful.

They come here arbitrarily, and only voluntarily.

For $20, if this issue is in your way, I would go ahead. They are not going to fix this one easily, I would think, and given that it's been this way since whenever, it could easily be seen as a feature, not a bugfix. Read.... S8.

Nick

There's also VAC. Virtual Audio cable which lets you create a patch between any audio out and any audio in. LINK HERE

ORIGINAL: micromusic

jeez i didn't even know you had to pay for tape it. i'm still using v1, which is free. v2 has some cool features though. tempting..

how easily does the recorded track line up with your project after you drag it back into sonar (with v2)? just drag & drop & it lines up? or does it take more work to find the correct position?

$20 bux. I think that's good value. I know where it is for when I want it. It is so easy to use that I will grab it when I need, I think.

OK. Lining stuff up. This is moot.

Not having used Tape-it, I do not know how fast its auto-start feature works. I have been unable to download it and the guy has not come back to me.

The one I have tried actually requires manual start, then start play. So lining up is not going to be drag and drop. Probably need for a slice using Zoom way in then aligning, or sliding my project then aligning by "feel". I would need to experiment to know. If Tape-it's auto-start is really snappy, then alignment should be a "snap" <G>

However, see mudgel's reply.....that one I am going to look at.

Nick

This was discussed earlier in the thread. If you go out and in you have conversions taking place. If your sound card supports the routing, that is an option UNLESS you are using those other outs and ins to record other sources. Also, it's a bit of a hassle to set up the routing and change it back.

ORIGINAL: nprime

The people at Adobe figured it out in Audition 3.

Reaper has internal routing to solve the problem.

I am fortunate to own a Creamware Scope card and I use it's routing to send the VST or DXi audio back to Sonar for recording in real time.

I use one of those too, but unfortunately there is a bit of lag when doing that, especially when you run stuff through a VST plugin, as I like to do for creating sounds. It's especially noticeable on rhythmic parts.

I tried VAC out this weekend and it didn't really work out. After installing it it showed up in my audio input & output list and i was able to route audio from one track to another. but the recording came out completely distorted and with "trial" (also distorted) every three seconds or so. I also wasn't able to select a stereo input, but i don't know if that's part of the demo limitation or not. I didn't waste too much time looking into settings or anything, as i didn't really have the time to waste, but i didn't see anything obvious to fix my distortion. so it could still work within Sonar I guess, but I'm going to uninstall it.

Another limitation I thought of while working on that particular track is that you wouldn't be able to record anything after stopping playback, as in one of my synths went bonkers with a cool sound after hitting stop while it was playing. not that Cakewalk implementing real time recording of soft-synths would capture that either, more so that this is just another reason for me to keep tape-it around.


I personally would like to be able to record on the buss tracks. Even if I had to drag the audio clip up to a new track to play it back, I think it would be a cool solution.

Noel, thanks for the reply.

I know you are a busy guy and don't have time to read the whole thread, but it was explained at one point that with certain physical modeling synths just having the MIDI data will not result in the exact same thing playing back...apparently the synth introduces some random stuff internally so that sound will never quite be the same twice. so if you are jamming with some sounds you will want to record the result in real time.

Not an issue for me personally by it is for the OP.