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[SOLVED] How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
This is a very useful function in Sibelius, when for example we want to separate notes of various chords on the piano and place them in different instrument tracks. If I have for example a chord sequence with three notes each, I want the top note (no matter what note it is), always go to instrument 1, the middle note go to instrument 2 and the lower note go to the instrument 3. It would be very interesting if there was some way to select only the highest or lowest notes within the PRV. Could someone tell me if there is something similar in Sonar?
post edited by rogeriodec - 2017/01/06 07:50:17
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 14:19:02
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No, there isn't really a good way to do this in SONAR unless there's a CAL out there that I don't know about.
Assuming there isn't too much overlap of voices in the chord progression, you can drag in the keyboard at the left side of the PRV to select a pitch range, and Shift+drag it to another track. If there is overlap, you may need to work in sections and/or selectively move some notes to the correct track to finish the job after making the initial split by ranges.
But I'm curious... what does Sibelius do when not all chords have the same number of notes?
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 14:23:19
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The only ideas that come to mind are the event filter or a CAL script. The filters might work if the top notes are within a certain range outside of what any of the middle notes are. Even if there is some overlap it might get most of the notes selected and then you would have to make some manual edits.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 14:35:46
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In PRV, if you click on the keyboard to the left, you can play and select any note, and just copy/cut into a new track.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 15:00:37
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I do this all the time with midi drum parts so I can separate parts into their own tracks instead of just one.
As said, select the note on the keyboard GUI and have at it. Lots of options there.
On way is the copy the original track a few times first, then go in to each track and delete unwanted notes globally using the keyboard GUI trick.
Then you can change the output of each track to other synths.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 15:27:02
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Isn't there a CAL script "split notes to tracks" (or something like that)? I believe I used it for drums some time back, and it sounds like the perfect CAL (if I've remembered correctly).
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 15:57:30
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All those suggestions work only if the notes you want to move are always the same pitch. I could have maybe 25 middle Cs in a clip and it could be the top note 14 times, middle note 5 times and bottom note 6 times. There is no way that I know of in Sonar to split these easily, though hopefully someone like Anderton will prove me wrong. When doing orchestral arrangements this is really useful, you can hammer out the parts/chords on a piano and then split them SAB or SATB quickly. Logic lets you select top or bottom notes in chords, which makes short work of this.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 16:11:14
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Just out of curiosity, can Logic recognize a chord if the notes aren't hard-quantized?
I can see how notation software could do this more easily because note placement is limited to musical durations. It gets more challenging, but still possible, with unquantized MIDI.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 16:14:27
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I already imagined that there would not be a solution in Sonar ...
Well, let's continue with Sonar, despite all the bakers' disregard about PRV and CAL Scripts ...
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 16:36:35
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brundlefly
Just out of curiosity, can Logic recognize a chord if the notes aren't hard-quantized?
I can see how notation software could do this more easily because note placement is limited to musical durations. It gets more challenging, but still possible, with unquantized MIDI.
I have never had it go seriously wrong and for the type of use case described I can't see how it would. But I don't have Logic at hand to test the limits at the moment. It seems a really basic function to be honest.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 16:52:54
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☄ Helpfulby lawajava 2017/01/03 19:31:38
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 19:31:26
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brundlefly
Appears this 3rd-party MIDI FX plugin will do it:
http://www.midi-plugins.de/#Plugins/SplitPoly
Very cool! This has some great features. I was going to suggest an alternate idea, which is to look at Nora from Square Heads. You can pick the top note or the bottom note. But as far as splitting, this looks like there is a great capability at the site you've mentioned. I could use this.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 20:24:35
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 20:35:11
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 20:36:44
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i just gave it a try, it appears to work but never seems to download for me
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/03 23:19:02
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This sounds interesting... I just download it, so the link still works  Maybe try a different browser???
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/04 09:07:43
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This sounds interesting... I just download it, so the link still works
Maybe try a different browser???
You're right, for some reason the download is not working via Chrome or Internet Download Manager, but with Internet Explorer it worked. However, it was not clear on the site, this plugin is NOT FREE and only works 50% in the unregistered version ...
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/06 05:39:56
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☼ Best Answerby rogeriodec 2017/01/06 07:46:39
Here is a set of 4 CALs for voice manipulating. https://app.box.com/shared/4lgdsb2494 "inv_down" and "inv_up" are for chord inversion, i.e. in any chord progression all upper notes transposed 1 octave down and wise-versa. "SelectBass" and "SelectMelody" do exactly what this topic is about...
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/06 07:49:52
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Here is a set of 4 CALs for voice manipulating.
https://app.box.com/shared/4lgdsb2494
"inv_down" and "inv_up" are for chord inversion, i.e. in any chord progression all upper notes transposed 1 octave down and wise-versa.
"SelectBass" and "SelectMelody" do exactly what this topic is about...
Perfect! That's exactly what I was looking for. In addition, these scripts show that it is possible to keep notes selected using CAL Scripts (which was said to not be possible). Thank you very much!
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/06 07:55:24
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The more I read about these scripts the more I wish they'd organize and incorporate them into the GUI more. Seems like a lot of power is "lost" for the average user.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/06 08:25:19
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The more I read about these scripts the more I wish they'd organize and incorporate them into the GUI more. Seems like a lot of power is "lost" for the average user.
Indeed. But we have to deal with reality. From experience we know bakers rarely meet the claims of users. So we'll probably have to deal with many CAL Scripts forever ... Perhaps the best would be to create a general, centralized Scripting database. We see several CAL scripts spread across the web, and we always find rare pearls like the one that was posted. Hidden things out there. I'm sure there are many other fantastic scripts, unknown to most people. If Cakewalk at least created a forum item for a list of useful scripts, we would be more likely to have greater productivity in daily Sonar use.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/06 15:32:36
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In addition, these scripts show that it is possible to keep notes selected using CAL Scripts (which was said to not be possible).
I did say I could be wrong.  Also. it seems the scripts seem to be making the selection by deleting notes and inserting new ones with the same parameters - not what I would consider a very 'safe' approach. In fact, I did a quick test on a short sequence of triads, and it deleted a 'melody' note, and did not replace it, and selected the middle note of the triad instead. Same thing happened with SelectBass. So these CALs are typically sensitive to what you give them to work with. In this case, they seem to have erred due to encountering two of the same chord in a row. I didn't analyze the script to see how this might have happened.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/06 22:38:36
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rogeriodec, you are welcome! brundlefly, sorry to hear that scripts didn't work for you. This is very strange because they work for me every time. Here is an example of the SelectMelody CAL. Before:  After:  I forgot to mention that clock resolution of the project must be 960 ppq.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/07 07:53:01
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And also one of the great pranks of CAL scripts is that ALL the selected notes must be inside a SINGLE CLIP, otherwise it will not work.
This should be because until the last version of CAL Script made available by Cakewalk, there should still be no concept of clips ...
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/07 09:34:21
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Sanderxpander
The more I read about these scripts the more I wish they'd organize and incorporate them into the GUI more. Seems like a lot of power is "lost" for the average user.
Indeed.
But we have to deal with reality.
From experience we know bakers rarely meet the claims of users.
So we'll probably have to deal with many CAL Scripts forever ...
Perhaps the best would be to create a general, centralized Scripting database.
We see several CAL scripts spread across the web, and we always find rare pearls like the one that was posted. Hidden things out there.
I'm sure there are many other fantastic scripts, unknown to most people.
If Cakewalk at least created a forum item for a list of useful scripts, we would be more likely to have greater productivity in daily Sonar use.
+1
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/07 11:57:53
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brundlefly, sorry to hear that scripts didn't work for you. This is very strange because they work for me every time.
The scenario it doesn't handle correctly is two of the same chord in a row with legato durations - e.g. C major triads on 8ths with 8th-note duration. Of course this would never happen with live playing, but it wouldn't be unusual for someone to write a sequence in the PRV like that.
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Re: How to select just the top or bottom MIDI notes?
2017/01/07 16:48:08
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I really don't know what to say... I just did another test with exact same scenario you've described: identical triads with 8th note duration placed legato side by side and it worked perfectly, both Melody and Bass scripts.
It worked even if each note of the triad was in its own clip on different take lanes.
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