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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/17 14:39:14
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While I think tracker is very nicely done, don't believe any thing that says you can used a bounced/mixed drum track and get something out of it. The find similar hits feature is kind of weak and it has no real ability to take apart a mixed track, short of you manually selecting the transients it finds. I don't think Toontrack has been pushing this, their documentation is pretty clear on it and it's limits, but I think some of the press coverage makes it sound like Melodyne for drums, and it's not. Not even close.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/17 14:53:43
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/09/17 15:16:30
That's odd. I used to be able to make real drums sound like cardboard boxes. Lots of compression, no Hi's no low's.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/17 14:53:55
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/17 16:43:22
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As long as there is pitch variation in hits, Melodyne can do this, but it would require midi editing to be useful to fire off a kit.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/17 17:13:56
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☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2017/09/18 21:42:28
Interesting. But that there fella coulda saved a whole heckuva lot of time by simply using one the kits in SD3 to begin with. I'm sort of with Bass Daddy on this one...only in reverse...it woulda been much more interesting to see him take a finished drum loop and turn it into some cardboard boxes and a pot lid.
heh heh...I said pot lid.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/17 17:19:37
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☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2017/09/18 21:41:40
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While I think tracker is very nicely done, don't believe any thing that says you can used a bounced/mixed drum track and get something out of it. The find similar hits feature is kind of weak and it has no real ability to take apart a mixed track, short of you manually selecting the transients it finds. I don't think Toontrack has been pushing this, their documentation is pretty clear on it and it's limits, but I think some of the press coverage makes it sound like Melodyne for drums, and it's not. Not even close.
Ditto. I never have live mixed down drums to work with. I am now recording e-drums with the Zildjian Gen16 Cymbal System with complete isolation of all 6 cymbals (Hats, 20" Ride, 18" Ride/Crash, 16" Crash, 16" China & 12" Splash). If I don't like the sound of the Gen 16 stuff for a song I can now either convert the isolated cymbal track to MIDI or use Drum Tracker or even Melodyne. We live in exciting times.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/17 18:27:32
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Interesting. But that there fella coulda saved a whole heckuva lot of time by simply using one the kits in SD3 to begin with. I'm sort of with Bass Daddy on this one...only in reverse...it woulda been much more interesting to see him take a finished drum loop and turn it into some cardboard boxes and a pot lid.
heh heh...I said pot lid.
While you COULD do this, this is the idea of actually playing the parts yourself, with "household items" and then converting them to real drums, with just cardboard boxes. So I do see the "use" of this. Rather than take all the time to find the right midi parts, edit them, get them to sound and flow the way you want, just play it on the boxes and replace. Novelty? Yes. But could lead to practical application in the right situation...IJS
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/18 04:09:57
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Yup...but, again, if you have SD3...you dont have to mic up and play cardboard boxes...or anything else for that matter...and then convert them to SD3 drums. You can just play or score in SD3 drums, and be done with it. IMHO there is absolutely no practical reason or advantage to do tnis. It is simply a frivolous and silly example of what COULD be done if you had too much time and not enough brains to realize what you were NOT accomplishing. Sheesh.
But, as I alluded, turning great SD3 samples into cardboard boxes and pot lids COULD have practical value. Depending on what kind of musical inanity you had in mind.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/18 19:01:43
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/09/18 19:09:35
I just got off the phone with my Sweetwater rep. He was telling me how he'd watched a demonstration wherein they took the audio from a YouTube video of Rush and loaded it into SD3's Tracker. This was a full mix, not isolated drums. SD3 was able to identify each drum and generate MIDI for a not-for-note reproduction of Neil Peart's drum part. Pretty awesome demonstration of the AI, even more impressive than SD3 identifying a pot lid as a hi-hat in the link above.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/18 19:55:17
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It originally identified it as a ride cymbal, if memory serves.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/18 20:18:38
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Having tried a number of simple mixed drum loops, including ones made with the SD3 default kit and its own simple MIDI files, I sure couldn't get great results out of it. The "AI" blows.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/18 21:32:31
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Well, learning to use it is part of the process I guess. I took 3 mins out of a stereo overhead mic setup and converted it into MIDI for a full kit. It missed one kick beat and confused one hi-hat bell hit for the ride. Otherwise perfect in time and got everything else right. In my experience, the tracker holds it promise very well. YMMV
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/18 21:57:19
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Well, learning to use it is part of the process I guess. I took 3 mins out of a stereo overhead mic setup and converted it into MIDI for a full kit. It missed one kick beat and confused one hi-hat bell hit for the ride. Otherwise perfect in time and got everything else right. In my experience, the tracker holds it promise very well. YMMV
There you go. Learning how to use it might show what it can and can't do. Some of them might be the long way around the barn but the short way isn't always the best. I would love to have a Neil Peart midi library. A Ringo midi library and all I have to do is build it? I like the crap out of this! Making real drums sound like a Quaker Oats kit or make a Quaker Oats kit sound real one. If memory serves, Jack Black has already done both anyway.
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Re: How to turn Cardboard Boxes into real Drums with SD3.0
2017/09/18 22:00:10
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Remember that you can load up your own samples in it too - meaning you can sample anything making a sound and convert the finest drum playing onto pieces of junk. Literally 😉😉
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