How to use Melodyne on a full track

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2012/06/14 06:49:55 (permalink)

How to use Melodyne on a full track

I have the latest Melodyne Essential update but as I just recently purchased it, I'm still trying to figure it out. 
 
All the Melodyne tutorials I see talk about fixing individual notes or a short section but nothing talks about how to fix, for example, the full voice track, either within Sonar X1 or standalone. 
 
Can someone help me with this (if its even possible to do what I want).
 
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    Jimbo21
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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 07:41:50 (permalink)
    I have Essential and I think the best results you will get are going over the notes individually. It takes time to do it though. At the top right of the GUI, there is a button to automatically let Melodyne fix the track. It has 2 sliders one for pitch and one for drift (I think). You can slide these around to your liking. Also somewhere (maybe in the file or edit Menu), you can select the correct scale to enhance the correction. HTH

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 10:32:19 (permalink)
    Jim, I see that but it doesn't really make much sense.  e.g. How much pitch should I select? (they just say to use it but do not give any examples or suggestions).

    If I have to go over each note individually there is no need for Melodyne, V Vocal will do that. 

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 10:46:21 (permalink)
    There are a raft of video tutorials on Celemony's site and YouTube.  You can't do polyphonic stuff with Essential but you can certainly do just about any tweaking to a vocal track you'd ever need.  As said above you can use the "macro" sliders for pitch and drift but don't go to 100% as that might sound a bit unatural...high 90s are fine.  You'll get your best results by tweaking your vocal track note by note...it's very easy...just remember that if you hold down the alt key when moving an individual blob you can move it however much and where ever you want it.  Use your ears as well as keeping an eye on the note pane running vertically on the left side.  Also, experiment with the pitch drift tools...they let you get rid of poor breath control and "falling off pitch" problems.  The latest version 2 of the full blown Editor is a true wonder.  It is an incredible tool.  But you'll have to dive in and learn it.

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 15:07:18 (permalink)
    Ugh! why did I buy this?  From what is posted on their site I was under the impression I could do what I want to do.

    $$ down the drain!

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 15:26:38 (permalink)
    What in the name a jimeny christmas do you want to do with it, ol pal????  It'll do so dang much (if you learn it...heck, even if you don't) more than pitch correction it boggles the mind.  And there is no better pitch corrector on the planet.  Bar none.  What, exactly, are you trying to do.  Maybe I can step by step it for you.

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 15:52:26 (permalink)
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    Ugh! why did I buy this?  From what is posted on their site I was under the impression I could do what I want to do.

    $$ down the drain!

    I have to ask the same question as my ol pal, here.  What did you want it to do?  v-vocal and melodyne perform the same tasks.  the only difference that I'm aware of is that melodyne will allow changes within a chord - individual notes can be changed in that chord, but v-vocal is not polyphonic, it's monophonic, one note at a time only, not chords. 
     
    other than that difference they perform the exact same function.

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 16:01:16 (permalink)
    I wanted a program that would "look" at an entire track such as a vocal track and automatically correct as needed, not a manual approach such I'm now being told Melodyne will do. 

    I have AutoTune EFX that has one function that will do that, although it is a little "flukey".  I bought the full AutoTune 7 but it will only work with 32 bit Sonar and not 64 bit such as I have so they refunded the purchase (AutoTune from what I see is working on a 64 bit version).

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 16:30:54 (permalink)
    Lessee, where to begin.  First, the good news is that those "macro" sliders will do, essentially, what you want.  They correct both pitch and drift.  And they will do so up to 100% correction.  And if your singer is already very close to pitch and has minimal drift your work is finished.  Just set your detection method default to "melodic" in the Melodyne settings menu...transfer your file into Melodyne...and move both the pitch slider and the drift slider to 98% or higher.  That's it.  Only it isn't.

    In the real world even singers who possess very good pitch sing sharp and flat on certain notes...they also scoop into notes and overuse their vibrato...they attack notes too hard and too soft...they hold notes too long or sing them too short...they get off the groove...even if ever so slightly...they still do it.  And Melodyne (or VVocal or AutoTune or whatever) has to try and "guess" what they were trying to do but didn't.  On not just every word...or every syllable...but every consonant and every vowel...every utterance of any kind.  It's amazing it can do as well as it can just using the "macro" sliders.

    To get a thoroughly pro performance/edit where your vocals don't sound like they've been "autotuned" (even if you're using AutoTune, VVocal or anything else) you'll have to go note by note and edit not only the pitch but the pitch drift, the vibrato, the scooping and many times even the length and attack of the notes.  It might seem tedious but once you get the hang of just a few of Melodynes main tools it's really rather intuitive and you can quite literally work miracles with it.  And all without any aural artifacting.  Essential itself is an amazing piece of software and the full blown Editor is nothing short of black magic.  But it is still just a tool, albiet a very very good one.  And you'll have to learn how to use it.  Take some time and a vocal track and just go through and learn what each tool does and how it operates.  Experiment.  Goof around.  Check out a bunch of the YouTube and Celemony video tutorials.  Don't use something from a project that has an upcoming deadline.  Just relax and get to know the program.  I honestly think that if you'll devote just a little time having "fun" with it and experimenting with it instead of "needing it to do something right now" you'll come to see that once you know it, Melodyne will be able to get whatever the heck you need done to your vocals easily, quickly and intuitively.  At least I hope so.  It has for me for years now and has allowed me to amaze many folks with the results.  YMMV.  Good luck , ol pal.
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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 17:01:53 (permalink)
    Do what he say. Do what he say.


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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 19:43:54 (permalink)
    I don't need it to do it "right now".  I've been trying it out on a singer with completed sessions, who tended to go flat a lot.  I had "fixed" some of the worst ones with V Vocal.  I was working with the raw vocal tracks, not the "fixed" vocal track.  

    The session I'm working on now the singer, who is a former Nashville Producer and songwriter, is on key - even the scratch vocal tracks. 

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/14 20:51:50 (permalink)
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    To get a thoroughly pro performance/edit where your vocals don't sound like they've been "autotuned" (even if you're using AutoTune, VVocal or anything else) you'll have to go note by note and edit not only the pitch but the pitch drift, the vibrato, the scooping and many times even the length and attack of the notes.  It might seem tedious but once you get the hang of just a few of Melodynes main tools it's really rather intuitive and you can quite literally work miracles with it.  And all without any aural artifacting.  Essential itself is an amazing piece of software and the full blown Editor is nothing short of black magic.  But it is still just a tool, albiet a very very good one.  And you'll have to learn how to use it. 
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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/16 14:06:15 (permalink)
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    Lessee, where to begin.  First, the good news is that those "macro" sliders will do, essentially, what you want.  They correct both pitch and drift.  And they will do so up to 100% correction.  And if your singer is already very close to pitch and has minimal drift your work is finished.  Just set your detection method default to "melodic" in the Melodyne settings menu...transfer your file into Melodyne...and move both the pitch slider and the drift slider to 98% or higher.  That's it.  Only it isn't.

    In the real world even singers who possess very good pitch sing sharp and flat on certain notes...they also scoop into notes and overuse their vibrato...they attack notes too hard and too soft...they hold notes too long or sing them too short...they get off the groove...even if ever so slightly...they still do it.  And Melodyne (or VVocal or AutoTune or whatever) has to try and "guess" what they were trying to do but didn't.  On not just every word...or every syllable...but every consonant and every vowel...every utterance of any kind.  It's amazing it can do as well as it can just using the "macro" sliders.

    To get a thoroughly pro performance/edit where your vocals don't sound like they've been "autotuned" (even if you're using AutoTune, VVocal or anything else) you'll have to go note by note and edit not only the pitch but the pitch drift, the vibrato, the scooping and many times even the length and attack of the notes.  It might seem tedious but once you get the hang of just a few of Melodynes main tools it's really rather intuitive and you can quite literally work miracles with it.  And all without any aural artifacting.  Essential itself is an amazing piece of software and the full blown Editor is nothing short of black magic.  But it is still just a tool, albiet a very very good one.  And you'll have to learn how to use it.  Take some time and a vocal track and just go through and learn what each tool does and how it operates.  Experiment.  Goof around.  Check out a bunch of the YouTube and Celemony video tutorials.  Don't use something from a project that has an upcoming deadline.  Just relax and get to know the program.  I honestly think that if you'll devote just a little time having "fun" with it and experimenting with it instead of "needing it to do something right now" you'll come to see that once you know it, Melodyne will be able to get whatever the heck you need done to your vocals easily, quickly and intuitively.  At least I hope so.  It has for me for years now and has allowed me to amaze many folks with the results.  YMMV.  Good luck , ol pal.

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    Re:How to use Melodyne on a full track 2012/06/18 15:44:19 (permalink)
    Speaking of Meledyne (assistant) - I saved a file as midi and it is not on tempo, even if I lock the tempo... (stand alone version)

    Doing this same thing as a plug, keeps the tempo solid - but not the position of the track. I had to manually re-align. I'm thinking there may be a better way...

    I'll hangup and listen.  :)

     
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