revnice1
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How to use Remove Silence
I don't know how you can Remove Silence because it's, well... silent. But let's not get bogged down in somantics.
Here's the issue: I have audible hiss between kick drum hits and I'd like to take it out. I'd like to insert silence where there is hiss. I selected and applied Remove Silence with the default parameters thinking that was the tool to use. It appeared to make no difference.
Is that how to remove unwanted crap between wanted crap - and what would be good parameters?
Thanks - rev
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/16 04:13:28
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/16 04:50:11
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So that's why it didn't work - thanks!
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/16 04:58:06
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☄ Helpfulby DonM 2018/03/18 14:37:48
Craig Anderton:
Fixing the “Remove Silence” Function The Remove Silence DSP feature should be useful for eliminating spurious mic preamp hiss between phrases, slicing narration into individual Clips to change phrasing or timing, creating “faux” REX files, and more. What makes Remove Silence different from a standard noise gate is that if you check “Split Clips,” SONAR will delete the silent section, leaving you only with Clips that contain audio. However the ability to edit the Attack and Decay parameters with Remove Silence is currently broken, which reduces the function’s effectiveness. So until it’s fixed, here’s a workaround. First we’ll add attack and decay with the Sonitus Gate, and then use the Remove Function DSP to actually remove the silence.
1. Insert the Sonitus Gate in the track’s FX Rack, and adjust its parameters (including Attack, Hold, and Release) as desired. I also recommend a few milliseconds of Lookahead. If possible, set the Depth all the way down so that when the gate is closed, it’s slammed shut and there’s no level at all.
2. Now select the Clips you want processed by the Gate, and choose Process > Apply Effect > Audio Effects. You might as well check “Delete the effects from the track FX Rack” because the Gate will have served its purpose of adding an attack and/or release time.
3. Select the Clips you want processed by Remove Silence, and choose Process > Apply Effect > Remove Silence. You’ll also want to check Split Clips. Set the Open Level and Close Level to as Page | 123 low a value as possible that’s just above the residual level leftover by using the Gate. After you click OK, you’ll see the silent sections removed, as in the screen shot. However, note that removing silence is not a panacea in all situations; for some sounds, like trimming toms or vocals, the only way to get really good results is to do manual trimming. Yes, it does take time, but the finesse with which you can trim will produce the most natural results.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/16 07:48:16
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/16 11:07:57
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It's tedious, but you could always use volume automation between hits.
At least if you do this you can apply a more or less natural decay curve to the fade out
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/16 11:53:24
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/16 12:42:27
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It is tedious work and I can tell you yesterday I spent a good 3 hours removing headphone bleed from 4 vocal tracks. I chalk it up as part of the job because at the same time I am removing silence, I am also hand limiting sibilance.
Some choose to use a de-esser but after you've done it 1000 times, you know exactly what to look for (S's and Z's are very small tight wave forms / while P's and K's are small, short bursts). Toms are no different really.
If the song is set to a metronome most drums can be automated and copy/pasted through out a projects length.
Toms are even easier because how often are toms played through out the whole song. Just take caution with decay from room sound.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/16 17:02:07
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Gate/Expander is the quickest.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/17 00:10:04
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bdickens
Make noise!
😂
When I make music, I start with silence and take away the parts I don't like 
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revnice1
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/17 16:16:39
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Craig:
Gate workaround looks good, thanks for that.
Chucke:
So how do you handle sibilance if you're not using a deesser?
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/17 16:36:40
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revnice1
Craig:
Gate workaround looks good, thanks for that.
Chucke:
So how do you handle sibilance if you're not using a deesser?
by hand limiting using automation. It more time consuming but it's about as precise as it gets. I've been meaning to do a video on it, maybe later if I have time I will upload something to show you an example.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/17 16:47:31
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>I've been meaning to do a video on it,
Or a text description. I've got the usual deessers but even closely following a tutorial hasn't worked out for me.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/17 20:48:57
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post edited by chuckebaby - 2018/03/18 17:42:09
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/17 20:56:33
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post edited by chuckebaby - 2018/03/18 17:42:20
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/17 21:30:46
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I use Remove Silence all that time...not sure why you think it is broken. When I score TV or film projects i create stems and at times the wavs will be the length of the project (although there is nothing on that track for long periods of time). I will "Remove Silence" thru out the whole project and the OMF I create will be much smaller. I do have my own settings so maybe you need to experiment with those. Sometimes there is an inaudible hum on the track or noise you can't hear that causes Remove Silence to not work. So the OP really wants is to "Remove" unwanted sound...not silence. He wants to add silence. Try this from izotope. I really, really like it and use it all the time. It saves many a bad recording. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RX6El--izotope-rx-elements Try to catch it on sale
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/17 22:16:42
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Chucke:
OK, so you're not addressing frequency, just volume. I suppose I could also do that with:
Process > Audio > Gain > 3db or more Cut
I didn't think of that, I was hung up on some auto tool that attenuates the offending frequency.
Jimbo:
Yeah, I've got a nice audible hiss after each kick and snare so I want to insert silence. I'll try doing nothing (I'm really good at it) and see how it sounds. It might be construed as warmth :)
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/18 16:18:44
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Jimbo, the lead and lag before it is what is broken. You cannot fade in before the start of the clip.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/18 17:04:37
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gswitz...I'll check out what you are saying, but my cues fade in and out all the time. I will have strings fade in from nothing and out to nothing, I have my Open and Close settings at -81db and I get pretty good results. So say I have a violin enter and play at Measure 3 and stops in measure 5 then does not play again until measure 60. Say I left the mic recording all the time or if it is a Midi violin and I froze the vst synth...the audio clip would have dead air for 55 measures that I want to avoid having to send out in my file. I "remove silence" and it nicely removes all the dead air time. The clips still fade in and out with no trouble. I can add a fade in or out later if i so choose by using the clip options.
revnice1....izotope has a nice "De-noise" plug in. You sample the hiss and it will learn the exact frequencies and allow you to adjust how much you want to remove. I use it way more than i should.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/18 17:40:27
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revnice1
Chucke:
OK, so you're not addressing frequency, just volume. I suppose I could also do that with:
Process > Audio > Gain > 3db or more Cut
Not if your doing sections you cant (unless you want to be there for years). revnice1
Chucke:
So how do you handle sibilance if you're not using a deesser?
My apology's. As this conversation went on I thought you were inquiring about how to remove sibilance in Vocals. I will remove my earlier tutorial + comments to avoid confusion.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/19 01:33:27
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/19 15:09:15
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/03/20 21:03:10
Waves C1 gate is fantastic and can likely get it cheap! that said, manual trimming is often the best way and like chuckybaby said, its part of our job. pro engineers get their assistants to do it
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/19 15:11:47
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Remove silence is broken but I forgot why but I stopped using it years ago. Some of the parameters don;t do what they are supposed to do and fine tuning it becomes impossible because of the problems. Search the forum and Im sure the specific issues are noted somewhere
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/20 17:38:00
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2018/03/26 02:07:50
The mute tool might serve you well here also.
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/25 19:56:36
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The easiest thing I've found for this is REAFIR . One of the free plugins offered by Reaper.fm . I think it's in the section ReaPlugs. Kenny Goya has tutorials for using it , I use it a lot for removing Hum produced by my Takamine. Removing the hiss on a kick track shouldn't effect the quality of the drum at all ..
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Re: How to use Remove Silence
2018/03/26 02:08:43
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Lanceindastudio
The mute tool might serve you well here also.
I totally use the mute tool too. I just zip through splitting the track around the parts I want to keep. If most of them have equivalent fades you can do the fades all at once by selecting all the clips and holding ctrl.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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