Beepster
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How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
I want to record a friend of mine playing live but I'm not sure how to go about this. My interface doesn't have a loopback function and it requires ASIO so I can't have the onboard sound and interface running at the same time. I'm assuming I'll have to physically route the signal with my old snakes. Any tips? Thanks.
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 14:59:38
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Unless of course there is way to use my web browser as the audio source within X1. Possible?
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:05:13
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Simplest way is probably to use your old snakes. I don't think it can be done in sonar but I have managed to do it in soundforge using my emu-0404 but don't ask me what I did as there was a lot of trial and error. Steve Actually, I say it can't be done in sonar but it could quite easily if you're physically routing it back in to your DAW
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:10:13
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I wonder... if I'm using the balanced line outs on the interface with balanced cables to the inputs (which I'm not sure are balanced) if it would screw something up. hmmm... I'd better read up on it. Thanks twaddle.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:14:07
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You can but you will need to set up your system to do so. Because you have a sound chip on your MB you can route that into your Sonar audio interface with patch cords. Doing that you can record with Sonar anything that you hear. You may need to enable the sound chip as your default audio device for Windows to use it.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:18:57
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@John... yeah that's the problem. My interface uses ASIO so as far as I know I would be able to use the onboard sound AND the interface at the same time. I'm probably just going to connect the main outs to the inputs and see what happens. I've got Windows set to use the interface as the default audio device so it should work... I think. Maybe I'll email Focusrite. Matt was explaining a bit on this in one of my other threads.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:22:02
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most soundcards will have internal routing capabilities to do this - it's usually just a matter of selecting the correct input in sonar to record the output of the soundcard. I've had 2 "prosumer" soundcards since I started recording. one was an m-audio delta 44 then other is my current MOTU. the MOTU was more difficult to set up to record the output than the delta 44, but both were/are capable. what soundcard are you using?
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:26:52
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Hi, Beagle. I have a Focusrite Scarlett 18i6. It unfortunately does not have the loopback feature like the 8i6. I guess because of all the extra physical inputs they couldn't put that feature in as well. They seem to use the same design for the different models but wire them differently.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:28:19
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Oh but I DO have my old Echo Layla 3G still hooked up to the system but it's really old so I doubt it has a loopback function. I don't recall seeing any mention of one in the manual.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:31:45
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Beepster @John... yeah that's the problem. My interface uses ASIO so as far as I know I would be able to use the onboard sound AND the interface at the same time. I'm probably just going to connect the main outs to the inputs and see what happens. I've got Windows set to use the interface as the default audio device so it should work... I think. Maybe I'll email Focusrite. Matt was explaining a bit on this in one of my other threads. It wont have any impact. The only connection between the two is the patch cords. Beagle is saying something different in that your card may have the ability to route Windows audio internally. The old Sound Blaster had this ability. My audio interface is a digital mixer and has no internal routing via its audio drivers. But he is right, many cards do have this ability. I do not recommend connecting the outs of your sound card to its input. You may get a feedback loop.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:35:26
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@John... oooh just reminded me. The manual actually has a description of how to connect the cables to avoid a feedback loop IIRC. I'll have to dig it out and see what's up. Cheers.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:37:04
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Remember you can connect two sound cards together with one feeding the other because it will be an analog connection and no syncing is needed. If you have another card ( your Layla) on your system I would use it as the default for Windows and the Scarlett for recording what the Layla puts out.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:37:24
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I have 2 computers, one for internet and one for Sonar. I have the audio from the internet computer coming into my mixer so I can listen with my DAW monitors, same for my TV. When I want to record any audio from the internet I just move the cables to an input on the mixer that records them into the DAW.
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:43:52
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It would be a lot easier for me to just snag the audio from my laptop but then I thought I didn't have the right adapters to make it happen but now that I'm thinking about it again I believe I do. Gotta dig through my gack and see what's there. If not I guess I could just buy the right stuff. It shouldn't be too expensive. In fact maybe I should make use of the SPDIF connections. That I believe I would have to buy new cables for but then I'd be able to listen to streaming tunes through my monitors instead of my crappy computer speakers. Cheers.
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 15:56:41
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hmm... actually it looks like I could use regular RCAs to input to the monitors. Cool... I have those. I think I'll stick to an 1/8th stereo splitter to 1/4" jacks for inputting to the Scarlett though.
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Beagle
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 16:10:31
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it's odd that the 18i6 doesn't have internal routing when the 8i6 did, tho.
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 16:14:44
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Yeah. I asked Matt from Focusrite about that and it's like I said... they make all those models with pretty much the same guts but wire them differently. It keeps the cost down. When I was a buying I had to make a choice between the extra analog ins and the loopback function. I chose the extra ins in case I ever need to record a full drumkit again. No biggie really. I probably shouldn't be streaming off the net with my studio system anyway and my laptop has a pretty decent headphone output.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 16:22:49
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I'm confused. If you're recording him playing live, why do you need to stream it from the web? I've recorded streaming audio by plugging a cable from my soundcard's output to the soundcard's input. Be careful with the monitoring or you could get some nasty feedback. Also, make sure you turn off your Windows sounds or you may get some unwanted sounds in your recording.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 16:32:41
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@daveny... Heh heh, because he's gonna be over a thousand miles away. It's also a skill I'd like to have for sampling and stuff too. Windows sounds and all that have been disabled long ago. I think just recording the output from my laptop should be good enough. It certainly would be the easiest although I do want to attempt a physical loopback at some point but I don't want to blow something up.
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Beagle
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 16:37:52
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I downloaded the manual and it appears that you can set up a MIX with the output that you can choose from the INPUTS in sonar which would do exactly what I'm talking about. I don't have a scarlett to try it on, but if you look at the mix section of your manual you should be able to set up a mix with just the same thing as the stereo output 1/2 and choose that as the INPUT in sonar under DAW>MIX 1
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 17:08:18
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@Beagle... I appreciate the effort but I think that's just referring to sending signals to the physical outputs. The MixControl software doesn't really control much except for monitoring (aside from selecting Line or Inst. for the multi ins). I have it set as my default device in Windows so I do get playback when using Media Player or Firefox but I'm pretty certain I have to physically attach the outputs to the inputs if I want to record anything like that. I actually had this discussion with Matt from Focusrite and he said without a physical connection it just wasn't gonna happen with the 18i6. The 8i6 however does do that. I may actually purchase one in the future because they are really inexpensive and it's a very nice feature. I also think I can daisy chan the two and have even more inputs VIA the optical connection (which I can also do with my Layla which is cool but I don't like the mic pres on it). Maybe he'll pop in and clarify. He's pretty good that way. Cheers.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 17:22:23
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i use an emu interface with patchmix software. The wave signal comes into a strip, and is sent to sonar via an asio send.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 18:04:19
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Any audio coming into your computer from the web is already digitized/recorded. You do not need any audio interface, patch cord etc. whatsoever to capture it, just software that can intercept the stream and write a copy to a hard drive. I have Audacity installed on my web browsing computer for this. There are a ton of tutorials on how to do this with Audacity available via google. Basically you set up the source for Audacity to "stereo mix."
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Michael Five
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 18:32:09
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If your goal is recording a cooperating mate in a far away place, use an intermediate. I did what I think you are thinking about with Indaba - they connect to it there with their computer, attach the gear/mics/etc to their interface, and hit record - on the indaba 'DAW' applet. Then you can download the track(s) and import. There are some benefits to this, I think, including sound quality. When we start talking about general purpose audio streaming across the web, built-in sound cards, etc, you could be dealing with both compression and (from our perspective) very low quality converters. Something like indaba (and there are others) is made just for this kind of thing to avoid exactly these problems. Disclaimer 1: It's been a couple of years since I did this, and indaba may have changed some, Idano. Also, I may have forgotten some details and may be oversimplifying just a bit. Disclaimer 2: I had a great opportunty to do something like this with someone I really, really wanted work with, but could never get them up to doing even the basics of web-collaboration on their end - so it depends on your mates. Either way, check it out if you like. I'd be glad to lend a hand when I get back to the studio, currently on the road....
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 18:45:23
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@jm24... Gotta work with what I have. This thread did get me thinking about buying an 8i6 specifically for this feature and to have an extra two of the fancy Focusrite mic pres at my disposal. I can think of a lot cool stuff I could do with that on my own and it would allow me to record a full band properly.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 18:49:46
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@slartabartfast... I'll check out Audacity but that's a paid program isn't it? I was kind of hoping X1 could do this but I doubt it. It'd be weird trying figure it out too before it happens. I kind of need a quick way to do it with what I have. Thanks though. I'll definitely take a further look into that.
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 18:51:18
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 18:58:22
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Grab Audacity or Sound Forge Forge is more for pros.
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 18:59:41
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@Michael Five... This is actually different than that and I have another plan culminating for that scenario but still need to learn more. It's just a live stream he's gonna be on and they're not gonna have the time to set something up in the studio. Just wanna snag the audio as it plays somehow... like in the old days of recording a cassette from the radio... except all extra fancy. I'm gonna try a couple of tests with the headphone output from my laptop and see what happens. It gives a pretty good signal for a cheapo Acer and I can clean things up from there. Cheers!
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Beepster
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Re:How would I go about recording streaming audio from the internet?
2012/08/27 19:02:06
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Should have refreshed... I got a call. Sorry. I will definitely take a look at Audacity then. Maybe I can get it working before this happens. Does it require a lot of resources? I'd prefer to run it on my lappy which is okay but it's not a powerhouse like my DAW system. Thanks, guys. Awesome thread. You rock.
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