sbeard32
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How would you do it?
I'm gonna be vague here on purpose. Looking for some honest unbiased opinions. I am building a website for independent musicians to upload their material. There is a 'radio' for the material to be played streaming. I know there are a TON of sites out there doing this, THAT is why I am asking you. What would YOU like to see on a site like this? What kind of "bells and whistles" would you want? Thanks in advance!
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/15 22:18:10
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Jonbouy
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/15 22:36:28
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mike_mccue wave files. Hahaha, Mike has bandwidth to burn these days... Yes some kind of 'lossless' audio.
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57Gregy
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/15 22:52:31
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I have songs on Soundclik, Mixposure and Indie Music Works. All of them are too busy, too much stuff. Especially since they seem to be trying to be social networks. Just gimme the music. edited for speelink.
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philz
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/16 01:05:48
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I'll second all of the above, and add no pop-ups. Also, if there must be ads to pay the bills or whatever, at least have ads with no animation... and it would be nice if they were meaningful to musicians.
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Crg
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/16 07:17:25
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+1 to wave files. That'll be a headache though. Is it going to be sales site also?
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Slugbaby
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/16 08:12:14
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No ads - that looks amateur. I don't know if I'd insist on lossless audio - most users will be listening through PC speakers anyway. The extra quality will probably be wasted. 192Kb MP3 streaming at least. If linking to a store, make it a well recognized (by the public, not just other musicians) one. Even if you get a lower royalty, many more people will give iTunes their Mastercard number than Soundclick.
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/16 11:30:23
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+1 to lossless audio, or at least the option.
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sbeard32
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/16 15:08:31
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Kick butt! I thought I was one of the few who felt this way about some of the places to put our sound out. That is why I am starting this. I am trying to build this clutter free and simple as hell for both the artist and listener. I want the listeners, (our ultimate target,) to come to the home page and be able to navigate easily. As well as search functions where they can even put in some of your lyrics (if you have added them on your song info page,) and be able to find you. Greg, you're right on the money of why I am doing this, "Just gimme the music." Other sites are too "busy" and not all that simple to navigate for the artist or listener which means we get heard less. Mike and Jon, I have considered .wav, .flac, .shn, etc but it just isn't feasible right now, (I'm just a poor musician.) So, it unfortunately we will have to deal with that nasty mp3. But AS SOON traffic gets to where is justifies it, I will be giving the artist the option of formats. Phil, no pop-ups I guaranteed! I am going to try to make it 1yr without ANY ads other than an "Ad Page." You have the option to go to that page, and it will ONLY be music related. If I end up having to put ads on all the pages, (poor musician remember) they will be 'static.' and only to one side and no header ads. Craig and Slug, kinda tough here trying to explain without giving away what is going to be our "gimmick" but yes, there will be sales. HOWEVER, what if you could set your own price for your music to be downloaded? Thanks guys! Your suggestions so far have been spot on! Please, keep them coming.
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marcos69
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/16 15:17:14
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Some kind of search feature by genres might be nice.
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Rothchild
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/16 15:18:03
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sbeard32
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/17 13:38:18
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Marco, the search function will have advance search with "genre" option Child, Thanks! I hadn't heard of http://bandcamp.com/ and low and behold, there ARE several similarities, but again, I would have to give away our "gimmick" to explain it further. The one big thing I can tell you, there are NO FEES! We even cover the PayPal transfer fees to your account. Please keep these coming please!
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57Gregy
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/17 13:45:21
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Immediately flush all "songs" advertised as "Beats for sale or lease".
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spacey
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/17 14:16:57
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If it's not feasible to provide a service for quality audio then the best you can do is have a fast, clean site. ? Offering members plenty of storage and control over their page with the option of free downloading or purchasing of their material. It seems to me that sites like I store my projects are mostly musicians. Musicians trying to get other musicians to listen to their music. That's why I look at it as an on-line storage bucket. It seems to me the biggest factor missing is the listening public. In the 3-4 years I've had music posted at a site with radio broadcast I haven't received one review or contact from a non-member listener. I would think if the public were listening and new that if they heard somebody they really liked and that they could contact them on-line, they would. Maybe that happens at Mix but I'm inclinded to think it's not often if at all. If I'm right then the ability to sell one's material really doesn't mean much....CD Baby would be a better alternative. Quite a delima...a public that's not really interested in high quality files. Musicians wanting a place to handle high quality audio files. A public that would rather steal music then get free Indie. Musicains trying to sell music at sites with mainly musicians trying to sell music and the public doesn't want it for free....if they even know about the site's. Good luck is really the best I can come up with.
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Rothchild
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/17 14:50:08
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sbeard32 Child, Thanks! I hadn't heard of http://bandcamp.com/ and low and behold, there ARE several similarities, but again, I would have to give away our "gimmick" to explain it further. The one big thing I can tell you, there are NO FEES! We even cover the PayPal transfer fees to your account. Cool, 'know thine enemy' is quite useful in these situations. I'm looking forward to seeing what the 'gimick' is. I'm just taking some baby steps in to an alternative business model idea (different product/market to you) so I'm all eyes / ears (not to mention that I'd like to shift some more units / get some more fans for The Pony Collaboration, so if you're going to make it easy and profitable for me, get in! ;-) Child
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Crg
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/17 20:40:13
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There's a growing underground trend to make lossless codecs available over the internet. To replace MP3 with something that doesn't stomp on your music. To regain the detail of magnetics over this still new medium. Your "gimmick" will be like many others once you hit the net. Music is a huge industry even with the internets restrictions. Most downloads should be considered as nothing more than advertisements for the show, and one day, the whole recording.
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Jonbouy
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/17 20:42:45
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Reece probably has some real intelligent views on audio codecs. Reece?
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sbeard32
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/18 21:47:55
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Some good points Spacey. It's funny though, the overall cynicism I am hearing here about all the "other sites" is WHY I want to do this. I have been talking to my developer a little more, and honestly, I WAS thinking of having a "Little Bit" of the social networking because, lets face it, there is no ignoring the direction the web is going. That said, we are now trying to limit the "social" functions to just the typical forums for now. The gain here is we can up our bandwidth usage for the larger files since we don't have all "social" functions hogging resources, I think we are at least going to be able to handle VBR MP3s, and based on size comparison between higher bit MP3s and wave, I believe we are going to be able to START with those two. Of course we are going to have to put some kind of cap. So if your thinking about covering 'Alice's Restaurant', you need to do it in less than say 7-8 minutes Had another suggestion on a different forum and thought I would run it by you all. Would you like to have the ability to specifically select what you are willing to do with your music? E.g. Perform, record, sell copyright, sell partial mechanical rights, collaborating etc? As Spacey said, ",.. biggest factor missing is the listening public." That's the tough one! I know we won't have a hard time getting artists to "store" their music with us, but it's getting the LISTENER and even more importantly, THE BUYER to acknowledge you as an artist. We have some ideas in our hip pocket on this. (Cross my fingers or my wife is going to beat me with one of my guitars) I'm in a bunch of music "fan" forums too and I have rattled off the names of SEVERAL "Indie Music" sites. Very, very few "fans" have ever even heard of most of the sites. Keep em coming please! This is a work in progress.
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Crg
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/18 21:59:35
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Had another suggestion on a different forum and thought I would run it by you all. Would you like to have the ability to specifically select what you are willing to do with your music? E.g. Perform, record, sell copyright, sell partial mechanical rights, collaborating etc? Creating an online collaboration site will really eat your resources. You'd have to have a seperate site for that, both for file sizes and security of content. Performing real time? Another bandwidth hog. Play, sell, reference to personal pages for business such as selling rights of any kind, ( that could turn into a real headache, are you trying to be a record company?) Try to imagine the staffing you would need to perform and supervise all those areas.
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sbeard32
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Re:How would you do it?
2011/01/18 22:16:30
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I guess I should have clarified, I wasn't even thinking about actual online collaboration. There are sites doing that like; http://www.ejamming.com/ I just meant, the artist having the ability to specifically list on their artist page, what they are looking for and "willing" to do with their material. All the indie sites give you the ability to sell your recorded material, but if your someone like me, I don't EVER want to be famous or to perform more than the local pub once in awhile but, I would be more than willing to make a deal if someone wanted to record my songs,.....well, for the right money anyway.
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