Bub 
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
I got my system up and running with a fresh install of Windows 7 x64, and all 400 Gajillion Gigabytes of updates. Plus, I made a drive image so I'm current with my backup and if I screw up this installation of X2, it's no big deal to start over.
Now to the question(s) ...
I want to install X2 Producer x64 and all the goodies. I have 2 HDD's in my system.
Is this how it should be done on a 2 HDD system ... or would a different arrangement be better ...
HDD 1 (Boot Drive):
X2 Program.
VST's.
Picture Cache.
HDD 2:
Synth's.
Samples.
Project Data.
Thanks!
Bub
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 14:48:26
(permalink)
this is exactly how i do it..but i wouldnt be to worried about the pic cache. and even if you are,i put it on the drive with the projects on it...even if its not on the os drive(with x2)
i wouldnt hunt it down and set it up to be seen from your 2cnd drive..somone may argue..let them.
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 14:56:49
(permalink)
Thanks for the quick response Chuck. At least the Picture Cache location is easily changed if anyone insists otherwise and gives good reason for the change.  Good to see you ... hope all is well!
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 14:59:08
(permalink)
The other question I had is, once a synth is installed, can it be moved?
The reason I ask is, all of the Cakewalk SI stuff and TTS-1 automatically install on your boot drive, even when I choose to do a Custom Install.
I never tried this, but once they are installed there, can their folder be moved to my D: drive and be used from there, or do I have to manipulate the System Registry to do this?
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 15:02:29
(permalink)
One could argue the samples could be anywhere if they are not streaming.
I ran 8.5.3 on my 1.9Mhz Coree 2 Duo with everything on the C: drive initially. Granted I was only mixing, but I never had a problem.
FWIW, by the time X1 came out I had a USB 2x HDD external box for laptop drives that I designated E: for samples and F: for projects. Even with an external drive for samples and projects I never had any problems.
|
Mesh
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 27360
- Joined: 2009/11/27 14:08:08
- Location: Online right here!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 15:06:57
(permalink)
I personally haven't tried to move any of Cake synths, but have moved 3rd party stuff to different locations. I only had to let Plugin Mgr. know where to look for the VST's and all was good. Is there a specific reason why you want to move the Cake synths to a different location other than the OS/Boot drive? Edit: I have 4 HD's (an extra one that's a bit overkill) C: OS/Boot Drive D: Cake Projects E: Samples F: All my downloads and miscellaneuos stuff (overkill.....yes)
post edited by Mesh - 2012/10/03 15:12:30
Platinum Gaming DAW: AsRock Z77 Overclock FormulaI7 3770k @ 4.5GHz : 16GB RAM G.Skill Ripjaws X 250GB OS SSD : 3TB HDD : 1TB Sample HDDWin 10 Pro x 64 : NH-D14 CPU Cooler HIS IceQ 2GB HD 7870Focusrite Scarlett 2i4The_Forum_Monkeys
|
scook
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 24146
- Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
- Location: TX
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 15:10:43
(permalink)
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 15:19:44
(permalink)
bapu
One could argue the samples could be anywhere if they are not streaming.
Excellent point. FWIW, by the time X1 came out I had a USB 2x HDD external box for laptop drives that I designated E: for samples and F: for projects. Even with an external drive for samples and projects I never had any problems.
I thought of just trying a thumb drive to see how it would work. I have a few 8GB one's laying around that I don't even use.
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 15:32:17
(permalink)
Mesh
Is there a specific reason why you want to move the Cake synths to a different location other than the OS/Boot drive?
When Cakewalk SI and TTS-1 are installed (and a few others that I'm forgetting), all their samples follow them, and as far as I can tell, there's no way to change their installation drive when you do a custom install. So to keep things uniform, I'd like all synth's and samples on one drive. Especially if they are streaming off the HDD, and I think SI and TTS-1 do, but I'm not 100% sure. My thinking very well may be flawed, that's why I'm asking. .
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
Mesh
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 27360
- Joined: 2009/11/27 14:08:08
- Location: Online right here!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 15:46:05
(permalink)
Bub
Mesh
Is there a specific reason why you want to move the Cake synths to a different location other than the OS/Boot drive?
When Cakewalk SI and TTS-1 are installed (and a few others that I'm forgetting), all their samples follow them, and as far as I can tell, there's no way to change their installation drive when you do a custom install. So to keep things uniform, I'd like all synth's and samples on one drive. Especially if they are streaming off the HDD, and I think SI and TTS-1 do, but I'm not 100% sure.
My thinking very well may be flawed, that's why I'm asking. .
Most 3rd party software (NI, Toontrack, IK Stuff etc...) gives you an option when installing the VST and where to put the samples. I don't think Sonar gives us that option (not sure). If it automatically installs on it's own (without giving me a choice) I won't mess with it as I want it to work when I need it to (I hate stopping in the middle of a project to troubleshoot the file path). If it's not causing a shortage on disk space, It might be good to just let it install as is.....if not, Scook's link has all kinds of solutions (I think). To be honest, I don't like messing with Registry stuff unless I have a real problem.
Platinum Gaming DAW: AsRock Z77 Overclock FormulaI7 3770k @ 4.5GHz : 16GB RAM G.Skill Ripjaws X 250GB OS SSD : 3TB HDD : 1TB Sample HDDWin 10 Pro x 64 : NH-D14 CPU Cooler HIS IceQ 2GB HD 7870Focusrite Scarlett 2i4The_Forum_Monkeys
|
scook
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 24146
- Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
- Location: TX
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 15:54:16
(permalink)
I had to start moving stuff around back when I had a very small C: drive on an XP machine. With larger drives the situation is different but I am use to having the app on the system drive and the samples on a non-system drive.
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 16:19:55
(permalink)
Thanks for the info Mesh and Scook.
I'll see how hard it is to move these things. Honestly, I don't use SI and TTS-1 all that much, and when if do, I can always freeze them. I just wanted to have this fresh install put everything exactly where I wanted it.
I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember a significant performance increase when I started putting samples on a drive different than my boot drive.
I'm going to start the installation now ... thanks everyone for your input.
Bub.
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
Ham N Egz
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 15161
- Joined: 2005/01/21 14:27:49
- Location: Arpadhon
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 17:56:45
(permalink)
just an FYI
I have a C:\ SSD drive for the OS
my samples/libraries are on a 1.5 Tb drive
my recorded audio on a 1 Gig drive
a seperate removable drive for my Acronis backups
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/03 21:26:06
(permalink)
Well, I got sidetracked, and never started the install. Now I'm afraid to tackle it so late at night because my luck, I'll get it installed, something won't go right, I'll get obsessive over fixing it, then I'll be up until 3am. *sIgH* It's not easy being a Sonar power hobbyist. 
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
Mesh
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 27360
- Joined: 2009/11/27 14:08:08
- Location: Online right here!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/04 10:22:47
(permalink)
musicman100
just an FYI
I have a C:\ SSD drive for the OS
my samples/libraries are on a 1.5 Tb drive
my recorded audio on a 1 Gig drive
a seperate removable drive for my Acronis backups
MM, you have a 1 GB drive? for recorded audio?
Platinum Gaming DAW: AsRock Z77 Overclock FormulaI7 3770k @ 4.5GHz : 16GB RAM G.Skill Ripjaws X 250GB OS SSD : 3TB HDD : 1TB Sample HDDWin 10 Pro x 64 : NH-D14 CPU Cooler HIS IceQ 2GB HD 7870Focusrite Scarlett 2i4The_Forum_Monkeys
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/04 10:47:24
(permalink)
Mesh
musicman100
I have a C:\ SSD drive for the OS
my samples/libraries are on a 1.5 Tb drive
my recorded audio on a 1 Gig drive
a seperate removable drive for my Acronis backups
MM, you have a 1 GB drive? for recorded audio?
If you're using an SSD ... why have multiple drives? I thought having multiple drives in an SSD based system actually slowed you down?
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
Mesh
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 27360
- Joined: 2009/11/27 14:08:08
- Location: Online right here!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/04 10:56:28
(permalink)
Bub
Mesh
musicman100
I have a C:\ SSD drive for the OS
my samples/libraries are on a 1.5 Tb drive
my recorded audio on a 1 Gig drive
a seperate removable drive for my Acronis backups
MM, you have a 1 GB drive? for recorded audio?
If you're using an SSD ... why have multiple drives? I thought having multiple drives in an SSD based system actually slowed you down?
From my little understanding of SSD's, they're much, much,much faster at data access than the regular drives (magnetic). So, having an SSD for your OS makes boot up and running programs almost instantaneous (some people have claimed booting up their DAW takes only 6-9 secs...(IIRC). So, it's just a super-fast drive than the conventional HD's.
Platinum Gaming DAW: AsRock Z77 Overclock FormulaI7 3770k @ 4.5GHz : 16GB RAM G.Skill Ripjaws X 250GB OS SSD : 3TB HDD : 1TB Sample HDDWin 10 Pro x 64 : NH-D14 CPU Cooler HIS IceQ 2GB HD 7870Focusrite Scarlett 2i4The_Forum_Monkeys
|
Truckermusic
Max Output Level: -56 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1924
- Joined: 2005/07/22 10:34:16
- Location: Riverview, Florida
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/05 08:48:11
(permalink)
FWIW You have the correct idea in your opening Post. Put your programs and VST's in the C drive Everything else that can be installed do so on the 2nd drive. If sonar places the synths on the c drive let it be. they do not take that much space, if there is an update then sonar knows where to look to fix it and at least you know that it will work right out of the gate...... It's the library's and samples, loops, downloads etc that will eat up your space and also slow your programs down. so by seperating them you give the programs a chance to operate more effeciently and thus less issues.... Also just a thought ... on the VST's what I do is create One master folder and then sub folder it for different bit programs (32 bit, 64 bit Cakewalk and jbridge) then all my VST's dll files are in ONE PLACE so all I need to do then is point my plug in manager to that one master folder and everything gets scanned....no missies... Here is what it looks like C\
Program folder \
ALL VST"S \
(now comes the the subfolders) 32 bit Vst's (I place all 32 bit VST's in this folder and yes you can subfolder this for individual Plugs like IK MultiMedia, Kerovee etc...) 64 bit Vst's (I place all 64 bit VST's in this folder and yes you can subfolder this for individual plug ins as well) Cakewalk VST's (I put all my Cake walk VST's in this folder) Jbridge (anything I want jbridge to see I use this folder) Now all i do is point my plug in manager to the "All VST" folder on the c drive and everything get's scanned and no one get's missed....... If I have any issues I know exactly where to look for things.........clean Hope this makes sense Clifford
post edited by Truckermusic - 2012/10/05 08:54:13
http://www.soundclick.com/cliffordamundsen NZXT Phantom Case (in Black) Windows 7, Service Pack 1, 64 Bit OP Sonar X3 Producer, 64 Bit Asus P8P67 Pro Rev.3 MoBo 16 Gig of Ram 4.5 Gighz Intel i-7 2600k Quad Core Sandy Bridge Unibrain Firewire Card Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface Mackie Big Knob NI Komplete 8 Machine 2
|
Wood67
Max Output Level: -64 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1348
- Joined: 2008/10/27 08:57:36
- Location: Brighton, UK
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/05 10:30:19
(permalink)
Hey Bub - did you get round to the reinstall yet? I had a few X2 crashes the last couple of days, and I can't help feeling the Sonar 6->8>X2 bloatware is all starting to get in the way. I also have plenty of legacy VSTs from the days when I was grabbing everything I could off KVR. I probably have no more than about 10 regular VSTi and a similar number of FX. So I'm considering a wholesale clearout and re-install. Which means all the inevitable issues with installing software for the soundcard and Presonus Faderport...
btw, no sign of Rapture (other than LE) on my X2 install, but I do have 4 versions of DimPro!
Wood Studio One 3 Pro, (Sonar Platinum), Intel i7, Win10 Pro, 32Gb ram, RME Babyface Pro, Behringer X-Touch, Presonus Faderport, Akai MPK49, Arturia KeyLab25, KRK Rokit 5 monitors, and other sonic surprises.
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/05 16:13:52
(permalink)
Truckermusic
FWIW
You have the correct idea in your opening Post.
Put your programs and VST's in the C drive
Everything else that can be installed do so on the 2nd drive.
If sonar places the synths on the c drive let it be. they do not take that much space, if there is an update then sonar knows where to look to fix it and at least you know that it will work right out of the gate......
It's the library's and samples, loops, downloads etc that will eat up your space and also slow your programs down. so by seperating them you give the programs a chance to operate more effeciently and thus less issues....
Also just a thought ...
on the VST's what I do is create One master folder and then sub folder it for different bit programs (32 bit, 64 bit Cakewalk and jbridge) then all my VST's dll files are in ONE PLACE so all I need to do then is point my plug in manager to that one master folder and everything gets scanned....no missies...
Here is what it looks like
C\
Program folder \
ALL VST"S \
(now comes the the subfolders)
32 bit Vst's (I place all 32 bit VST's in this folder and yes you can subfolder this for individual Plugs like IK MultiMedia, Kerovee etc...)
64 bit Vst's (I place all 64 bit VST's in this folder and yes you can subfolder this for individual plug ins as well)
Cakewalk VST's (I put all my Cake walk VST's in this folder)
Jbridge (anything I want jbridge to see I use this folder)
Now all i do is point my plug in manager to the "All VST" folder on the
c drive and everything get's scanned and no one get's missed.......
If I have any issues I know exactly where to look for things.........clean
Hope this makes sense
Clifford
Hi Clifford ... Thanks for the input! I tried to keep everything that I could 64 bit. There's a couple of things such as Cakewalk Sound Center that's 32bit that I didn't want to part with, but I'd have to say I'm 98% 64bit now. When I wiped my system this time, I only put back X2 64bit ... I finally put 8.5 and X1 to rest. I really like X2 and it seems to be running very well on my system.
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
Bub
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7196
- Joined: 2010/10/25 10:22:13
- Location: Sneaking up behind you!
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/05 16:40:07
(permalink)
Wood67
Hey Bub - did you get round to the reinstall yet? I had a few X2 crashes the last couple of days, and I can't help feeling the Sonar 6->8>X2 bloatware is all starting to get in the way. I also have plenty of legacy VSTs from the days when I was grabbing everything I could off KVR. I probably have no more than about 10 regular VSTi and a similar number of FX. So I'm considering a wholesale clearout and re-install. Which means all the inevitable issues with installing software for the soundcard and Presonus Faderport...
btw, no sign of Rapture (other than LE) on my X2 install, but I do have 4 versions of DimPro!
Hi Wood ... I did get X2 installed. So far so good! I saw problems with the Pro Channel until I installed the Quick Fix, but it's running rock solid on my system now, and I'm temporarily using my Realtek onboard sound card. I got rid of all of my free VST's except for Kontakt 5 (Free) and Melda Mastering Suite (Free). I'm very happy with everything that comes with X2. I really like Breverb and the console EMU. I tried out the LP64 EQ and it is working great now. No more glitches and sound dropouts when you adjust a node. That will probably be my go to EQ now and replace Sonitus. Oh, and yes, I did run in to problems with X2 finding old versions of plugins even though I told it to scan only the new folders I put it's VST's in. Somehow it still found the old ones, even after a full rescan without their directory. As for Rapture Full Version ... when I initially installed X2 alongside X1, it wouldn't even give me the option to install Rapture. Even though it was checked when I did the installation ... it never got installed. After I wiped my system and did a fresh install of X2 with no other versions of Sonar, it came right up and installed with no problem at all. By the way ... there's a patch out now to install Rapture ... So far I'm a happy camper. I've had a couple of crashes, but they were related to the crappy onboard sound card I'm using. Oh ... I'm running a fresh, unaltered installation of Windows 7 with all updates from Microsoft. I left Aero on, I didn't even touch the power saving stuff. It's a fresh install with all default settings and X2 seems ok so far. I'm not even going to touch Windows unless I start having problems. I'm getting tired of spending more time tweaking this stuff than making music ...
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
|
Truckermusic
Max Output Level: -56 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1924
- Joined: 2005/07/22 10:34:16
- Location: Riverview, Florida
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/08 15:30:25
(permalink)
Bub
I also have a 64 bit system and have tried to keep it all 64 bit....
but there are a few hold out's in 32 bit. So I had to make them feel at home as well......so I gave em their own folder.....
Clifford
http://www.soundclick.com/cliffordamundsen NZXT Phantom Case (in Black) Windows 7, Service Pack 1, 64 Bit OP Sonar X3 Producer, 64 Bit Asus P8P67 Pro Rev.3 MoBo 16 Gig of Ram 4.5 Gighz Intel i-7 2600k Quad Core Sandy Bridge Unibrain Firewire Card Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface Mackie Big Knob NI Komplete 8 Machine 2
|
Ham N Egz
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 15161
- Joined: 2005/01/21 14:27:49
- Location: Arpadhon
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/08 15:39:54
(permalink)
Mesh
musicman100
just an FYI
I have a C:\ SSD drive for the OS
my samples/libraries are on a 1.5 Tb drive
my recorded audio on a 1 Gig drive
a seperate removable drive for my Acronis backups
MM, you have a 1 GB drive? for recorded audio?
yes, a WD Caviar , NOT Green. SATA. It is overkill since I have only used about 20 % of its capacity, but the price was cheap then. My Library drive, OTOH, is almost full.
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
|
Ham N Egz
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 15161
- Joined: 2005/01/21 14:27:49
- Location: Arpadhon
- Status: offline
Re:How would you set up Sonar (X2) on a 2 HDD system?
2012/10/08 15:41:47
(permalink)
Mesh
Bub
Mesh
musicman100
I have a C:\ SSD drive for the OS
my samples/libraries are on a 1.5 Tb drive
my recorded audio on a 1 Gig drive
a seperate removable drive for my Acronis backups
MM, you have a 1 GB drive? for recorded audio?
If you're using an SSD ... why have multiple drives? I thought having multiple drives in an SSD based system actually slowed you down?
From my little understanding of SSD's, they're much, much,much faster at data access than the regular drives (magnetic). So, having an SSD for your OS makes boot up and running programs almost instantaneous (some people have claimed booting up their DAW takes only 6-9 secs...(IIRC).
So, it's just a super-fast drive than the conventional HD's.
I just feel more comfortable keeping the OS seperate, and recording(and accessing) to a different drive.Also SSDs were limited in size when I purchased mine.
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
|