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2014/04/29 18:19:27 (permalink)

How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs?

I remember a lot of "meh"-ing about these plugins when X3 came out. A lot of people were complaining that the last thing we needed was a new set of free plugs when the old Sonitus ones were perfectly fine.

So how's everyone getting on with them now? I've only just started to explore them recently and I have to say I'm quite impressed. For instance sure I already have a bunch of choruses, but the Nomad one is probably the most versatile I've seen (even has an auto-panner built in). Similarly the delay is great. They can look a little daunting but once you learn how to use them they're actually fantastic plugins. I don't think they're "dated" at all...you could say the same about most Waves plugins and they're still great.

I was pleasantly surprised to see Dave Pensado using one of them in a tutorial video too (can't remember which one).

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 18:30:55 (permalink)
I'm liking them but just starting to dive in. The reverb is surprisingly nice. It's true those Sonitus plugs really went the distance, heck I still use most of them, but no complaints about the Nomad stuff so far!
 

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 18:33:26 (permalink)
Actually, Dave Pensado has used Nomad plugins in at least 2 "In the Lair" episodes that I've seen in the past few months. If anyone is avoiding the Nomad plugins because they think they're "dated", they're missing out.
 
Even with the full compliment of Sonitus plugins and most of the best UAD-2 stuff in my arsenal, I still find use for the Nomad plugin's, particularly the Stereo Imager. It's incredibly easy to use and does just what it's supposed to. 

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 18:42:32 (permalink)
Lovin' 'em. Especially the stereo imager and Brickwall Limiter. Brickwall has become my "go-to" plug-in for the stereo bus. The reverb is very nice too. One thing that caught my attention is a lot of the Nomad Plug-ins have presets for acoustic guitar and they sound pretty darn good with just a bit of tweaking. Good stuff IMHO.

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 18:52:54 (permalink)
As someone who has used and owned the UAD Pultec and Fairchild, I fine these plugs to be nothing more than pretty looking.  The problem for me is when you placed the UAD Pultec over the program material it gave a bump at around 100hz and this was before you even turned a knob.  In other words it actually added colour.
 
The Nomad Pultec does not do this, nor does the tube compressor add any colour.  So my question is what is the point??  I'd be happier if Gibson/Cakewalk continued to develop their pro channel stuff even though their last offering of a tape sim was less than brilliant.  It is useable though.
 
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 19:04:16 (permalink)
I have been asking for a decent Pultec EQ and Fairchild Compressor in Sonar for a while, and, I have to say, that I really like the BlueTube Pulec in the Nomad plugs.  I've not had much time to try out the Fairchild Comp, but it does soound nice.
 
I also like the PEQ5B EQ.  I've used the Chorus a couple of times, too.
 
I've only briefly played around with most of them, but think they're all pretty good.
 
I tend to use the ProChannel a lot now, so tend to add other effects into PC FX Chains.  I just wish that I could assign more knobs/buttons in the FX Chains.

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 19:12:58 (permalink)
I also have a liking for Nomad plugins. I have used their Studio Channel SC-226 alot on a drum buss. I have used some of the BT stuff that came with X3 and I have not found them wanting. But at the same time I am not a fan of "analog" sound. Though, I am not a fanatic about it. In the end I use what sounds good. 
 
 

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 19:52:33 (permalink)
...getting on quite nicely with the NOMAD plugs... I work for a large company that has several of the recent compositions online now and folks like the way they sound. I do too!

BUT ...I recently used the Sonitus delay on a prjoect and it remains one of my all time favorites.... it is very musical and clean...
 

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 19:56:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Brando 2014/04/29 20:46:37
Ben I also use the Nomad Pultec plugin and like it a lot. I think I may have mentioned some time ago though that with everything set for unity gain etc the Nomad Pultec EQ gives a 3 dB boost just in overall gain. Not a biggie but worth noting none the less.
 
 

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 20:08:57 (permalink)
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Ben I also use the Nomad Pultec plugin and like it a lot. I think I may have mentioned some time ago though that with everything set for unity gain etc the Nomad Pultec EQ gives a 3 dB boost just in overall gain. Not a biggie but worth noting none the less.
 
 




Hi Jeff.
I've tried it over many things and I just can't hear it and I'm not bragging but my ears are good.  I can hear the subtle bump when I place the console emulator over source material, same with the not so brilliant tape sim.  I just get nothing when I place the Nomad Pultec over source material.  I will try again later today, as I am mixing and mastering stuff for my uni project.
 
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/29 23:51:08 (permalink)
I should of mentioned it earlier. When I said a level shift of 3 dB I meant level over the whole freq range. I agree it does add any boost anywhere specific from what I can tell, just an overall level shift which sort makes it sound better!  But I do hear the sound of that plugin even with all the eq controls set for no boost or cut anywhere there is still a sweet sort of Pultec sound which just can in mastering be put over the mix.
 
I have mastered with it many times.  Just mastered a Jazz album.  Very high quality mixes.  As soon as I put the Pultec over the mix it just changes for the nicer. I had to pull out some 300 mud and push gently around 1.5K to 3K to just nudge the upper mids forward.  The  mix was very bright too in the upper 10 K and above and the Pultec did a marvelous job of just pulling that excessive top end down too.  EQ's sound nice in cut mode.
 
This is the Pultec I am also referring, the full version. I don't think it is in the bundled Nomad Sonar plugins. It is worth having though.
 
http://www.nomadfactory.c...ts/pulsetec/index.html
 
When I am making broad brush strokes like this the Pultec is very cool.  When some precision eq is needed I use the LP64 EQ first followed by the Pultec and just do the surgical bit using the LP64 EQ.  The LP64 EQ is super transparent and does not alter the sound of the mix.  (apart from the surgical correction)  Having the Pultec after it means it is handling a corrected sound and then adding its thing.
 
What you can do with that plugin too is attenuate and boost around the same frequencies.  You may think one cancels the other out and it does to a certain extent but not completely so it also creates some slightly odd shapes in the EQ around theose frequencies which can make things sound a little more interesting too.
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 00:14:01 (permalink)
dontcrack.com had a recent sell on all of the Nomad stuff at %75 off. I'm really digging Cosmos and Magnetic II. I'm still in the experimenting stage with most of the bundles, but none of the plugins sound like junk. I do have some UAD stuff with a quad card and a duo sat., but I find I'm using them much less now that I have the prochannel and the Nomad stuff.

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 00:31:45 (permalink)
I love the Nomad stuff. I got the total bundle on a sale a few years ago. Some of the best money I spent on plugs.

I love the chorus. It just has so many options that it's unbelievably useful.

I have been swapping out with TRacks Brickwall and Nomads brick wall on the master during tracking and I am liking the Nomad better.

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 00:41:33 (permalink)
Yeah I bought Cosmos and Magnetic II in a sale not so long back. They're excellent plugins.

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 11:36:49 (permalink)
The Nomad stuff does add a different flavor to the "clean" Sonitus etc.  It is great to have, and the time-based effects are very nice indeed.  If you don't like them - don't use them.  No one says you have to.
 
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 11:53:38 (permalink)
I didn't think I needed them and I guess technically I may not BUT as I said in the Feature Request thread the Brickwall is far superior to the Boost11 for my needs and I'm quite happy the Pultec was inculded so I could try out some mixing recipes. Haven't really tried the other stuff but those two have made me want to see exactly what these things can do. The Sonitus stuff seems very surgical to me and I know they can pretty much do whatever needs to be done because of that but as someone who's used to manipulating actual knobs and dials and having things molded for me by hardware in their own special way I'm thinking the BT stuff is gonna creep it's way onto a lot of my stuff.
 
The only downside is I kind of want to learn the hyper surgical way of doing things like looking at the numbers and typing in values to make things happen. If I have fancy looking knobs that do sweet things I may slack off a little. But hey... I guess in the long run I just want things to sound good so what the heck. Not like I've had a ton of time to nerd out and get all sciency on things lately anyway.
 
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 14:12:12 (permalink)
Hey Beeps, good to see you back, haven't seen you much on here lately!

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 14:24:52 (permalink)
Thanks. Been dealing with some absolutely ridiculous nonsense in regards to the new place so haven't had much time for tunage. I'm REALLY disappointed after all I went through to get here. Taking a week off from all that because I think I've done all I can for now so I've been trying to get my brain shifted back to music a little. Just hoping it all works out and I can get back to work. Hope you've been well.
 
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 14:34:56 (permalink)
I opened the Chorus plug just for the first time..and it looked like a Strymon on steroids.  Sounded great for a chorus and another reason that I'm glad I'm not installing a zillion plugs in my new DAW.

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 14:48:48 (permalink)
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 17:45:21 (permalink)
I find myself more and more using the nomad stuff as fx for guits and keyboards,
they deliver a nice, special  colour.I like the chorus, phaser aso.
 
The Fa 770 compressor gives some "magic" to the signals, but imo not as magical as the ca2a (uad)
or the slate vbc.
 
The nomade blueverb drv 2080 is imo surprisingly delivering some very good small hall rooms
(imo hard to find)which fit very good to larger rooms of other plugs,
the presets  sound a bit muddy, but after some tweaking (equing the deep and deep middle frequencies
lowering the send level))it sound really good, specially the emt 124 emulation.
 
The eq peq2b  givres  warmth and punch and is a good alternate to the Pultec (uad).
 
I intended to use the nomad stuff more and more, because till now there have been
a lot of nice surprises using them. It needs some time to learn how to use best.
 
I like the sound of the limiter, but this let´s some " overs" (no extreme limiting)
get trough, which I absolutely don´t like.
 
regards to sharke
 
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 18:44:44 (permalink)
They are shelfware for me simply because I used to have a million plugins, including all the UAD stuff, and for me nothing beats the waves stuff so I would rather spend my time getting to really explore them in depth.  Hence why I wish the FX bin in the prochannel was much bigger as I very rarely use the full prochannel suite in the manner it was intended.
 
Having said that, since X3 came out with the spectrum analyzer etc, I can never see me needing any other EQ apart from the in built one in the pro channel....that really is the mutts nuts!
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 19:03:10 (permalink)
Unfortunately I haven't had that much time to play with the Nomad plugs, but this thread just jumped "play with Nomad plugs" much higher on my list of priorities.

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 19:25:28 (permalink)
I think we all get a bit overboard on questing whether a pice of software is exactly like the hardware it's modeled from... I prefer to approach them with an attitude of does it work similarly... As with hardware each iteration of the hardware sounds different... With some gadgets excessively so...

I haven't use the Nomad stuff a lot, but to me, it works much like the hardware it's modeled from...

That being said I don't find a lot of need for any of them as the ProChannel stuff is so good. The pc76 is so like the 1176ln's I've used over the years that I don't even think about it... I just get my work done... Same for the CA2a... And the Quad-EQ is outstanding!

The Sonitus plugins are quite good too, but come from a more digital approach so I think differently when I use them... I use the EQ for occasional surgery but rarely have need for such, but the Delay is my go to ddl... Though it's missing some special things that some devices have, it covers most of my ddl needs... I don't use chorus much, but I do use flanging periodically and use the modulator for that... It's excellent...

Back to the Nomad plugins... I use the Peq2 quite a bit for the musical shelling I find it gives me... Very reminiscent of the pulled...

Are they the same as the hardware? I really don't care, but they work like it so I can follow familiar thinking and sound great...

...just my two cents...

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 19:51:58 (permalink)
Keni's post is the best post on this thread. Well thought out and full of interesting points. 

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 21:13:11 (permalink)
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I think we all get a bit overboard on questing whether a pice of software is exactly like the hardware it's modeled from... I prefer to approach them with an attitude of does it work similarly... As with hardware each iteration of the hardware sounds different... With some gadgets excessively so...

I haven't use the Nomad stuff a lot, but to me, it works much like the hardware it's modeled from...

That being said I don't find a lot of need for any of them as the ProChannel stuff is so good. The pc76 is so like the 1176ln's I've used over the years that I don't even think about it... I just get my work done... Same for the CA2a... And the Quad-EQ is outstanding!

The Sonitus plugins are quite good too, but come from a more digital approach so I think differently when I use them... I use the EQ for occasional surgery but rarely have need for such, but the Delay is my go to ddl... Though it's missing some special things that some devices have, it covers most of my ddl needs... I don't use chorus much, but I do use flanging periodically and use the modulator for that... It's excellent...

Back to the Nomad plugins... I use the Peq2 quite a bit for the musical shelling I find it gives me... Very reminiscent of the pulled...

Are they the same as the hardware? I really don't care, but they work like it so I can follow familiar thinking and sound great...

...just my two cents...

Keni



Hi Keni, totally I'm not after the Pultec sound per sae I'm after colour and I just don't hear any from the Nomad Pultec included with bundle we got.
 
Jeff, that Pultec looks great and at a 129 bucks comparable in price to the UAD one.  I'm certainly going to have to look at getting one.  I'm collecting different plugs at the moment to replace the UAD stuff I got rid of a year ago.  As I have said it's pointless to invest in DSP's cards anymore.  
 
Slighty off topic, I've just got the Kramer Master Tape effect from Waves, at 29 bucks a steal and I love it.  This is the way I am going these days, all native.
 
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 22:33:33 (permalink)
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Curious where you found the Kramer Master Tape effect for $29? For that money it would be a total non-brainer!
 

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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/04/30 23:54:43 (permalink)
I've got the Nomad Integral Studio Pack III which has a little more plugs than the one supplied (and locked) with X3.
 
If you already had Nomad from a separate purchase, do not install the one that comes with X3 - it has less plugs, and if you installed over the same directory of your previous Nomad, it will be overwritten and only works with X3.
 
Other than that, Nomad is my current go to for chorus, phaser, echo and many others. The control is big and easy to tweak and sounds good to me.
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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/05/01 00:03:38 (permalink)
pls ignore double post..

Albert


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Re: How's everyone getting on with the Nomad plugs? 2014/05/01 02:09:06 (permalink)
joel77
Ben,
 
Curious where you found the Kramer Master Tape effect for $29? For that money it would be a total non-brainer!
 




Sorry it was a one off special a couple of weeks ago and it is a no brainer, great plug-in.
 
Ben

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