Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano???

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2014/04/07 00:03:41 (permalink)

Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano???

Okay I asked this before but now I got another problem.
 
I've been experience a hum or loud buzz from my piano for couple years.
I don't have to turn the piano up just leaving it at 0 I can hear the hum or buzz from the built in speakers.
 
I thought this might be a ground loop problem but I tried few gear and nothing else is effected.
And I tried to unplug EVERYTHING in my room but the piano and still it hums or buzzs.
 
So if non my other gear have this problem could there be a fault wire inside the piano?
 
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    Shadow of The Wind
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/07 01:10:25 (permalink)
    If you plug in headphones, do you hear the same noise? (Disconnect all other audio connections.)
    If you connect the line output to a headphone amplifier or some other audio amplifier, do you hear the same noise?
     
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/07 02:02:17 (permalink)
    yes and yes
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/07 11:22:42 (permalink)
    I thought this might be a ground loop problem but I tried few gear and nothing else is effected.

     
    Your instincts are probably right.  Though it is not a ground problem you would be likely to fix since it is internal.

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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/07 11:40:41 (permalink)
    I'm going to guess that the hum is being caused by the proximity of the keyboard to another device (maybe a display monitor?) that is spitting out EMI or RFI. My guess is based on the assumption that this particular keyboard may not be shielded very well. The idea that the hum can be observed on the built in speakers with the level turned to "0" suggests to me that the noise enters the amplifier stage after the level control. It could be an internal issue like a wire with a degraded connection to ground or maybe a shorted blocking capacitor but I'm going to go with ineffective shielding and proximity to a noise source as my guess.
     
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/07 12:27:17 (permalink)
    When you unplug it does it stop?...Just kidding
     
    Like Mike said...it sure looks like it might need to go to a repair shop unless you know how yo safely disassemble it and clean connections, test caps, etc.

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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 03:25:55 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the responses and I agree must be the piano it self.
    Right now I got it plug into strip by itself with piano lamp.
    But still makes the hum buzz sound as well my friend/teacher said must be the piano.
     
    I'm looking for new piano I don't have lot to spend but need some than good for classical
    Mostly nice sound and good key touch I found few between Casio and Yamaha.
     
    Yamaha p 150
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FVBX7A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Yamaha np 31
    http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Piaggero-NP31-Lightweight-Portable/dp/B005BRRO6U/ref=sr_1_2?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1396941786&sr=1-2&keywords=yamaha+np
     
    Casio priva px 150
    http://www.amazon.com/Casio-PX150-BK-Sensitive-Tri-Sensor/dp/B0094KNESM/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1396941847&sr=1-1&keywords=casio+priva
     
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 09:01:47 (permalink)
    What kind of bulb is in the piano lamp?
     
    Is there a dimmer or brightness switch involved?


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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 09:11:29 (permalink)
    It would be a fair test to take it to another room and plug it in by itself.
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 09:14:03 (permalink)
    xacto. :-)


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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 10:56:58 (permalink)
    I second that. And, if it is using an external power supply, see if you have another one (check voltage and polarity).
     
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 16:46:22 (permalink)
    I tried all that and the piano is a home digital piano so it's to heavy to move.
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 18:14:37 (permalink)
    Dimmer in the wall right next to the home digital piano?
     
    Compact fluorescent light in piano lamp?
     
    Computer display monitor sitting on top of home digital piano?


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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 22:08:54 (permalink)
    No
     
    Yes but the piano been doing this sense i've got 
     
    Nope.
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 23:15:41 (permalink)
    At no point have you told us what this piano is? 
    Does it have a wall wart or a direct AC plug. 
    Also you were not clear about if there is a hum with headphones or audio output or both or if it's a Yamaha it only will have headphone out. so? 

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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/08 23:47:07 (permalink)
    Its a home digital piano the cabinet version. Williams symphony digital piano.
    Its a  three prong Ac power cord I tried to replace it with another one but solve nothing.
    Yes everything I hooked up to the headphone or audio outs there's hum.
     
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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/09 08:47:46 (permalink)
    Thanks for answering marcus.
     
    Just to be clear I want to ask again.
     
    Q: Compact fluorescent light in piano lamp?
    A: Yes but the piano been doing this sense i've got 
     
    Is there a compact fluorescent lamp nearby? If so unplug the fixture and see if it helps a little. Even if it only helps a little it will suggest what the problem may be.
     
     
    It seems like you have done all the trouble shooting you can. It's possible a technician could trace down a specific problem and fix it... I doubt it will be an efficient or inexpensive process. If it were me I might trace the power supply looking for ineffective AC coupling leaving AC on the DC rails. It may be faster to simply start replacing filter caps, which is what a lot of techs do to save time. Even so, it's not really an efficient process, it's more like a brute force attempt to make a problem go away. It might help.
     
    It can be, as you suggest a bad wire or solder connection... that's a search and repair process that is even less efficient. I think that factory wiring is a lot more consistent these days then back when the "bad solder" connection earned its reputation as a likely candidate.
     
    Finally, I'd want to consider how loud the hum is. If you are paying attention you'll find low level noise in all sorts of consumer grade gear. If the piano sound is substantially louder than the hum, and effectively drowns it out for all but recording purposes, then it may just be inherent to the design and quality level of that product. Only you, and people who can listen to it first hand, can make that assessment.
     
    Good luck!
     
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    mike
     


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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/09 12:39:00 (permalink)
    Possibly made in China? Seems like it's a simple matter of using inexpensive circuit design to keep the price down. I'm not surprised after reading a few reviews. The old term you get what you pay for applies. The problem with under priced gear is you end up buying the good stuff in the end anyhow. This has been my observation and why I avoid certain Brands.

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    Re: Hum buzz or falut wire in my piano??? 2014/04/09 14:31:05 (permalink)
    Yeah fluorescent lights and dimmers can certainly generate stray electrical signals that will be picked up by amplifiers. I was under the impression (maybe false) that this had all been eliminated as a potential problem. You could simply turn off all the lights and run a three prong extension cord from another wall outlet that comes from another breaker. If you still have the noise then that pretty much isolates it, unless there are grounding issues concerning the entire house.
     
    I have only used the Privia 150. I use it to track 88 key piano parts. I was having some issues with the sustain pedal tracking. There seemed to be a delay from when I pushed the pedal to when the midi was recorded. I haven't used it since I replaced the pedal with a better one..it might have been a problem with the pedal.

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