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2014/12/09 23:39:18 (permalink)

Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface

I recently upgraded TH2 Producer to the full version and playing my guitar the Hum was really bothering me, so I started to investigate (not know anything really)
 
I have an Epiphone 335, so humbuckers, and use this cable from Thomann http://www.thomann.de/gb/cordial_cci_3_pr.htm

plugged direct into my Roland Quad capture, into my new laptop.
 
I noticed that if I touch the metal part of the jack casing, the hum dropped. I tried the ground lift switch on the Quad Capture and nothing. I feared electrical issues with the Guitar (the selector knob for the pick ups has failed, so I just have a choice of either, but not both). Then realised to rule out the guitar, I just unplug it, but leave the cable in. It's not the guitar, seemed the cable, so investigated the soldering, but it's fine. 
 
Then it dawned on me, the laptop is new. I pulled the power cable out of the laptop, and bingo the noise llevel dropped massively. not completely, but nearly all of it. So that's a workaround.
 
Now on some noise still remains, but I am wondering if I can get it cleaner.
 
Will a cable make a difference?
Should the ground lift of made a difference on the quad capture?
When I hold my fingers against the strings there is small improvement, does this indicate and guitar issue?
Should I just put up with it?
 
 

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/09 23:52:58 (permalink)
    if it's not bad, use a gate. 
     
    I was having a problem with a loud hiss on my recordings when performing live? Unfortunately, I learned it was coming from the audience.
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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 00:08:33 (permalink)
    Is all of your hardware set to the electrical voltage there (I am not sure if they are 50Hz/220VAC there)? If you are picking up the hum from power supplies/environment, you may have to deal with it using an instrument cable (a TRS cable can help, but most guitars cannot use them).
     
    In addition to the gate mentioned above, another option is to put the steepest high-pass EQ filter you can at 80Hz to remove as much noise as possible below the Low E before sending it into the signal chain (and even a notch filter at 50Hz for good measure). Some insight that may help you is to actually record this noise and see what/where it is on the spectrum.
     
    If touching the strings helps when you ground it, also consider playing with your hand touching the bridge.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 00:22:59 (permalink)
    Only hardware plugged into the mains is the laptop. PSU says
    Input 100-240V 1.6A 50-60Hz
    Wide range input
    So I think that's fine
     
    It also says,
    Connect only to grounded outlet
    but we don't have those, so may explain the Hum when the laptop is plugged in. When the laptop isn't plugged in, I'm on headphones and the Quad runs off USB, so disconnected from the grid entirely

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 01:03:23 (permalink)
    I find that if you move around with the guitar there's usually a sweet spot with minimal buzz. For me, unfortunately, it's facing the other way from my DAW with the guitar tilted a little to the floor 

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 08:32:51 (permalink)
    He's got humbuckers so the pickups shouldn't be picking up noise.
     
    My guess is that he has a loose/broken wire in his guitar wiring.  I had a similar issue, one of the solder joints in my guitar failed and I would get intermittent/poor/no contact which resulted in noise issues.  A 15 minute repair later, and I was back in business.
     
    Regarding, just having the cable plugged in, your guitar cable can pick up electrical noise (touch the open end of it and see how the noise changes).  If you really want to rule out the guitar, you need to plug another guitar in that you *know* is not noisy.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 08:51:55 (permalink)
    I'm th2 use the high input setting for humbuckers.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 09:57:02 (permalink)
    Unfortunately I do not have access to any other electric guitar shops, and as far as I am aware, no one sells brand new ones in any of the shops in this city.
     
    I'm using both the High-Z selector on the Quad and the TH2, but thanks for checking, because on the TH2, it's hidden away a little.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 09:59:09 (permalink)
    issue #1
    "the selector knob for the pick ups has failed, so I just have a choice of either, but not both"
    We know there are wiring issues
    issue #2
    "Connect only to grounded outlet, but we don't have those"
    "I pulled the power cable out of the laptop, and bingo the noise level dropped massively"
    need I say more there?
    issue #3
    "He's got humbuckers so the pickups shouldn't be picking up noise"
    Buckers are NOT totally quiet, especially in an electronically charged environment.
    And this IS an Epiphone. These are not hand wound "boutique" pickups; which are NOT dead quiet anyway.
    best answer
    "I find that if you move around with the guitar there's usually a sweet spot with minimal buzz"
    Correct the wiring issues. (I would NOT invest in more expensive pickups)
    Record when disconnected from your "noisy" power grid.
    Find the "Sweet Spot" as described by Sharke.
    And "gate" the low level noise out as suggested by Jablowmi.
    I think that's about all that can be done.
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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 10:04:52 (permalink)
    So you don't think a different quality cable would make a difference, assuming their is no shield breakage and it's been well soldered.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 10:15:57 (permalink)
    I don't think the cable is your issue.
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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 10:18:48 (permalink)
    The noise drops some when touching your strings?
    The noise drops some when touching the metal on the cable?
    That's all pretty much "normal" in my experience.
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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 10:52:03 (permalink)
    I guess I'm just with 'live with it noise' once I have unplugged the PSU. Good to know that contact with the strings and casing, suppressing the noise is expected. I have no experience here.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 11:22:25 (permalink)
    If you do not have Voxengo's SPAN (free), it is worth downloading and throwing as an effect onto an audio track. This will give you a look at that noise with the guitar plugged in and the PSU disconnected. I suspect (and hope) you are seeing a nice clean spike at 50Hz without nasty harmonics.
     
    Using just this setup (not playing), you can fiddle with the noise gate, HP filter, and notch EQ to knock that spike down and save the effect chain you make into a preset for use with other tracks in the future. A noise gate alone should take care of any harmonics, but if you have a spike, it should be below the Low E (Low E = 82.4Hz).
     
    An instrument cable is unshielded so it will act like an antenna on you. There is not much you can do but minimize its length, but you already have a 3m cable and I would not go any shorter since it would impede using the guitar.
     
    I also own an Epiphone 335 Dot, and that selector switch should come out of the f-hole easily... however, if you are unfamiliar with this I would blow it off for now. The wipers inside that switch may be corroded (esp. if sat for a long time unused) which can many times be mitigated by cycling the switch rapidly several times. If the switch works in both up and down positions, but noisy in the mid, I assume the internal wipers are fine, just corroded. Try cycling that switch first and see if it helps.
     
    Let Voxengo's SPAN guide you on what is going on with your efforts to minimize it.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 11:37:03 (permalink)
    sounds like a bad ground in the guitar itself.
    lots of info out there for rectifying this,
     
    here's a good link to start:
    http://www.guitarhotrod.com/introwiring.html
     

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 11:56:01 (permalink)
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    An instrument cable is unshielded so it will act like an antenna on you. There is not much you can do but minimize its length, but you already have a 3m cable and I would not go any shorter since it would impede using the guitar.


    That's not true, an instrument cable should be shielded, but it is not balanced which is why it can act as an antenna.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 12:55:30 (permalink)
    +1 I am glad you caught that, I didn't even realize I typed the wrong word there.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 21:00:09 (permalink)
    The cable is shielded, I noticed yesterday. If I see a quality 1 metre cable here (which I doubt, because of the lack of options, especially for electric guitars (though I due a visit to the British Embassy in Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh soon)) I may try. Because I play seated and the quad is on the desk in front of me, I may be fine with a shorter antennae..er lead.
     
    Before going to work yesterday, I started to suspect the switch was beginning to function again, so maybe playing and switching between has begun to help the switch. I can take the switch out, I checked it a few weeks back when I first discovered it wasn't working. NO visable signs of corrosion, but a small layer off oxidisation may be enough to fug it up I guess. What approach do you suggest to remedy this. I haven't sen contact cleaner here, no idea where I would get it. I'm wondering it running a piece of paper through the plates, to rub off the oxidisation would be enough.
     
    I downloaded Voxengo yesterday, and I'll have a look today
     
       

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 22:59:55 (permalink)
    Hey Scoot, I just pulled the switch from my 335 Dot and took pics for you. First, the contacts in this switch are completely exposed, so simple oxidation may be all that this "issue" is regarding that switch. It is built very rugged, so bending it mechanically is unlikely to have occurred. Simply cycling that switch may improve performance over time (as the oxidation will wear off).
     
    The mechanics of it are the contacts are spring-loaded and the switch flexes each when selecting a single pickup, and should be touching both when mid (both selected). Attached are two images, one mid, and one to a single humbucker.
     
     
     
    Again, I do not think you need to specifically clean these, and definitely do not clean them with anything mechanical. I use DeoxIT D5 to clean contacts, but must be sure not to get this on the finish if you choose to clean them this way. I used a pair of needle-nosed pliers to remove the collar from the switch and then simply pushed it down and then used the pliers again to pull it up through the f-hole (unscrew the switch cap to avoid scratching it). This gives access per the pictures, and the reverse is true to reassemble.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/10 23:20:26 (permalink)
    Thanks for taking the time to do that, it's a fiddly job getting it back in so appreciated. That's the same design as mine too.
     
    I was a little confused to why it wasn't working when I looked, as going by your last picture. When the switch is pressing that right plate away, it breaks the signal for the pick up on that side. And vice versa. In the middle position, it presses neither plates away away, so breaks neither signal, allowing both pic ups to be heard. So here is my confusion. If the contact plates work when the opposite is pressed away, then the contacts are working, so why wouldn't they work when neither plate is pushed away, as both sets of contacts are working on there own? 

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 00:32:03 (permalink)
    If one side is oxidized more than the other they would not be balanced with each other, so they are not truly in series then (and the hotter pickup may be losing signal into the other). When you select both you are not getting a signal at all, or just very low volume? Is there a massive audible difference between one over the other when selected individually?

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 01:45:17 (permalink)
    That makes sense, as when I thought it was returning yesterday, it seemed as if the bridge pick up wouldn't kick in until I turned the volume over 1 and a half.
     
    Thanks again btw fore pulling your knob out for me earlier (errr that doesn't sound quite right does it)

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 06:09:45 (permalink)


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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 06:32:29 (permalink)
    Scoot, the way to cure this is to bend the two middle connections ever so slightly outwards so that they apply more pressure to the outer switch half.
    If you can make it so that the switch toggle feels very slightly loose in the middle position then you've got it about right.  If the toggle is firm in the middle position then it is applying pressure to the switch halves and breaking the signal.
     
    I had to do this on a LP for exactly the same reason, no sound in middle position.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 06:46:03 (permalink)
    As for the hum.. that's something you're going to have to live with.  You can replace every lead, check every ground connection, ensure there are no ground loops,  but the RF generated by the dimmer switch in your neighbours bedroom will still be picked up by your guitar.
    You may not hear it when playing clean, but as soon as you add gain it'll be right there.  It's that sort of background RF you can hear cutting in and out as you touch the strings or other metal parts on the guitar.
     
    All the radio hams in the forum should be able to tell you about antenna theory, but put simply your strings (despite being 'grounded') are acting as antennas. When you touch them you add huge capacitance (yourself) which dumps any RF energy they're picking up to a "virtual" ground (that's you again) making the noise quieter.
     
     
    As sharke suggested, walk around the room with the guitar to find the quietest spot, don't forget to try turning around as well...

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 07:28:27 (permalink)
    Hum on a guitar...... something near and dear to my heart.
     
    I have a classic Gibson SG with humbuckers.... the good ones... and if I get too close to a monitor it will hum. Distance, direction, angle, all affect the level.  The electronics and or wiring in the guitar should also be shielded.
     
    A lot of the cheaper guitars.... the Epiphones, and the Fender MIM & MIC ...are all cheaper guitars. They have to use cheaper pickups and likely cut corners on shielding to sell at the price they do and still make a profit to stay in business. I haven't taken my Fender Modern apart to look..... but at $450 vs $1000 for a Fender Telecaster..... there has to be corners cut and cheaper parts used. I'm absolutely certain one of those corners is cheaper pickups.
     
    On my Gibson, I have total silence...well no hum anyway with my amps and modelers. However, the Tele Modern is a whole different story. Depending on the pickup selection I use, I can get silent operation or hum that's pretty significant. And... the hum is also dependent on the gain settings I'm using. 
     
    I have to choose which selector setting I use and when I use it. I often simply record the parts I want with the guitar and whatever noise is present..... and then use surgical envelopes in the track to cut the noise/hum to silence.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 08:31:03 (permalink)
    I'll give it a little time Karyn, see if it improves, if not I'll try your tip Karyn. In the mean time, maybe it's not such a bad thing, playing just either pickup, and getting to know the sound difference better, before I start blending.
     
    It seems, upgrading the pickups are on every Epiphone players agenda from the reading I've done so far. I'm not shy of a soldering iron, but that for another day

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 13:36:32 (permalink)
    I've got a Gibson Classic 57+ in the bridge and a 490R in the neck of my Epi 335; both sound sweet. I don't recall having any issues with hum while recording. As Karyn has mentioned though, manny things can be the cause...dimmer switch, wall outlet, computer monitor, etc.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/11 14:20:53 (permalink)
    Had a very similar problem with an Octa-Capture. Ran a wire from the Octa-Capture case ground to the grounded screw in the AC outlet plate. Problem solved.

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    Re: Hum issues on Guitar into Audio interface 2014/12/12 01:08:35 (permalink)
    Touching the case does make a difference, problem it, I'd have to run a wire from the case into the bathroom and to the electric showers earth. No way am I touching touching Vietnamese electrical system in this hotel. I've already experience an apartment fire when a neighbour's electricity meter went up in flames, taking the other 6 floors electrics and melting the plastic piped plumbing with it.   

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