I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1

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2011/10/04 09:59:35 (permalink)

I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1

Finally!
 
It took me few hours of using "f-words" and other spells, but finally I have succeed.
 
TASK:
- use Korg M50 as a masterkeyboard AND using Korg's plugin-editor inside Sonar. AT ONCE.
 
DIFFICULTY LEVEL: HIGH
- if you load Korg's VST editor, it won't communicate with M50 til you disable M50 MIDI IN in Sonar's preferences
- if you do the step above - Sonar will not receive what you play on M50 keyboard
 
SOLUTION:
- run jBridge to make M50 plugin editor 64bit compatible
- after running Sonar go to M50 synthesizer Global Settings and turn local ON
- don't activate MIDI IN from M50 synth in SONAR's Preferences
- add a softsynth: M50 plugin-editor with stereo AUDIO track and MIDI OUTPUT enable
- don't even touch any settings in this audio track! Don't delete this track!
- don't change any settoings in softsynth MIDI track too! Leave it on MIDI channel 1.
- in the M50 editor main window go to GLOBAL and click "enbable MIDI OUT" (or similar)
- add another audio track with AUDIO IN from inputs where M50 is connected to get AUDIO from Korg M50
- you can see in MIDI routing (on other MIDI tracks) that there are MIDI OUTS from Korg M50 editor
- MIDI mesages from M50 are here!
 
RESULTS:
- you can use your M50 as a masterkeyboard even without enabling MIDI IN from M50 in Sonar's preferences
- you can use M50 editor-plugin inside Sonar and don't loose functionality of synthesizer as a masterkeyboard
- If you change M50's mode to SEQ, you can add up to 15 MIDI tracks (16 with main track) with outputs to different MIDI channels of "M50 sound" to get full multi-timbrality of this synthesizer
post edited by adrian4u - 2011/10/04 10:18:34

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    Bristol_Jonesey
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    Re:I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1 2011/10/04 10:40:21 (permalink)
    Well done Adrian.

    I bet you're pleased

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    Re:I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1 2011/10/04 11:03:57 (permalink)
    well - maybe you don't know, but I had serious problems with "merging" Korg microX and Sonar, moreover I've found only PRETTY OLD ins file for M50 with some mistakes in bank/patch names (and I don't know how to fix it by myself - the issue is with bank addressing).

    In a fact in Korg instruments software editors are totally usefull thing, but with Sonar's strange MIDI possibilities they are useless... till now.

    I know that there's maybe 1 on 100 people on this forum who uses M50, but I hope it will help even this 1% of people here :)

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    Re:I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1 2011/10/04 11:54:44 (permalink)
    When connecting MIDI thru allso to a midi patchbay, you can record midi info for a internal Vst?

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    Re:I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1 2011/10/04 12:38:38 (permalink)
    adrian4u


    well - maybe you don't know, but I had serious problems with "merging" Korg microX and Sonar, moreover I've found only PRETTY OLD ins file for M50 with some mistakes in bank/patch names (and I don't know how to fix it by myself - the issue is with bank addressing).


    Bank numbering in ins files relates to what is sent as a bank change. You can work out one from the other using this method.

    Check your Korg manual MIDI implementation to see which bank messages are needed for bank changing. It may be just the MSB or both MSB & LSB. Either way the bank number can be found by multiplying the MSB needed by 128 and then also adding the LSB if that is needed.

    For example on my Sonic Cell the MSB needed for my main presets is 087. Each bank is then changed by sending the LSB which starts at 064 for Bank A, 065 for Bank B and so on.

    So these translate to bank numbers as follows

    Bank A........ (MSB) 087 * 128 then + 064 (LSB) = 11200
    Bank B........ (MSB) 087 * 128 then + 065 (LSB) = 11201

    you can than enter these bank numbers in the ins file.

    Hope that helps.


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    Re:I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1 2011/10/04 12:48:27 (permalink)
    Thanks for the tip Adrian, hopefully this will work with the Korg M3 as well!!!

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    Re:I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1 2011/10/04 12:55:12 (permalink)
    This is pretty amazing since I've been unable to even run the standalone M50 editor in win7 64.
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    Re:I DID IT :) Korg M50 + editor and Sonar X1 2011/10/04 16:06:22 (permalink)
    FastBikerBoy - thanks, I will try it, just I have to get knowledge how to edit INS file :)

    @ Muziekschuur at home - I don't really know - I use USB connection. Maybe it will work with MIDIOX/ MIDIYOKE, but I remember MIDIYOKE doesn't work with WIN7/64

    @ Progmatist - I don't know where is the issue - I had no problems with KORG editors with WIN XP, WIN7/32 and WIN7/64. Try to download latest drivers and editor from KORG website, then after install - try to "register" KORG gear using tools in menu START / KORG / USB-MIDI driver Tools.

    What is funny and usefull for all of you - Windows "binds" USB ports to the drivers, so sometimes, when you have problems with communication between USB device and computer, it could be because of there are no empty "slots" in USB-drivers.

    And there is one and the best solution - installing KORG USB-MIDI driver. Then using tools: in menu START / KORG / USB-MIDI driver Tools, click at "uninstall KORG USB-MIDI driver" - then uncheck in options "show KORG devices only", then unbind all the drivers.
    And finally - plug your gear once again, power up and everything should work very well without any problems.

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