I DON'T own X1.

Are you bragging..... or complaining JB?  

Guitarhacker


Are you bragging..... or complaining JB?  

Wondering, Herb, just wondering.

it's time to put your hand in your skyrocket

Jonbouy It will be worth it just to curb the teasing. :)

I just found out you can get free avatars with every purchase.

Free avatars with every upgrade?

Where? Where?

Jonbouy: I had to lol when i saw this post, needless to say there are many way's I could answer.. keeping on the light side of things

there is no reason not to run X-1, I would keep your 8.5 running though. if there is space in your system I'd add 2 hard disks 1 os 1
data..oh and the update is cheep too !! and runns real well !!!

CakeAlexS


You ain't cool unless you use X-1. The marketing department told me (so it's true).

         DownGrade I say !!! dos/midi !!!

I sometimes feel like a 2nd class citizen in the X1 forum, some of the bigger boys here can be very hurtful when they suddenly find out I only have 8.5 despite the fact it clearly says that's what I have in my sig.

 
wow! you had me fooled. i thought you were the X1 hall monitor(i mean moderator) hear im thinking you may have valid issue... cause you sure are quick to defend bonehead post made by grown men, that should have long since moved on, if it were that serious.  and now you are warming up to the idea.. i thought you were a X1 user. but now i see ...you like to read and see yourself speak..

Some love it, some hate it. I would certainly try the demo first. I happen to love it, having to relearn how to do some things got frustrating at first so I got that instructional video, it helped a great deal. If I understand correctly, you use another program rewired to work your magic, I can't rule out that might be a problem for you. If there is a NagBap deadline with your X1 all screwy, it could get pretty ugly.

thomasabarnes


I'm sure no one has to tell you to upgrade. You're one of the smartest people on this forum.

Are you gonna upgrade or not? :) Really.

It's nice of you to say so, but I don't feel like the smartest just now.

It has genuinely confused me recieving a £20 offer for being a loyal Cakewalk customer (their words) not having upgraded yet.  It makes me wonder if I'll get even better value by waiting for the next full version release rather than loyally upgrading now and paying for extra little bits and pieces along the way that may well end up being incorporated in the next full version.

Here's my take for what it's worth, Jon. I'm in the same boat as Grant, however, I have this conflict that has been driving me crazy. When I use X1, there are things in it that bother me really bad to where I crave 8.5. When I use 8.5, nothing bothers me at all, but I DO miss some of the features in X1. How about I list the pros and cons on my end and maybe it will help you better?

X1 Likes: Screensets, effects chain preset saves of your effects you use in bins, drag and drop effects/VSTi's, the new VSTi plugs they added are nice...the strings and bass especially. Definitely worth the upgrade price for these things alone as the VSTi's will appear in 8.5 and I use them all the time.

X1 dislikes/hates: Labels and text, smart tool annoying, colors limited, setting up the tools you see/use limited, absolutely hate with every ounce of my being the new "preferences menu", absolutely hate that sound on sound/over-write menu is gone, absolutely hate that most menus are gone or moved, absolutely hate the missing tempo tap, absolutely hate the new menu tabs all over the place, hate the new cpu/ram usage meter, hate the lack of customization on the main tool bar, hate how once you use a fade on the end of a track that you can no longer slip-edit without removing the fade, hate the new crossfade system using punch-ins...it never works right for me EVER. I don't like Pro Channel...the EQ or the compressors. They work, but they are not for me...and I'm sure there's more.

As you can see, my dislikes/hates way over-power my likes...but that said, the things I do like I really miss when they aren't available. Thanks to Panup and Ben, some of the things I've listed are fixed due to their mods which work flawlessly for me. As far as stability...I'm finding out that when you use X1 with certain 3rd party plugs or VSTi's, that it can just shut down totally to where you are back to your desk-top. No warning, no chance to save, no nothing...just bang...desk-top. If you use it with all Cake stuff, it will NEVER crash ever on my end. I can use it for 16 hours and beat the stuffing out of it...and it won't crash. But run certain things (especially old DX plugs) and it gets angry.

Now also keep this in mind....everyone uses the program differently. I'm sure you an I have our own ways of using it...so what may fail for me could be due to me, my workflow and how I use X1. That said, 8.5 doesn't react that way so it makes me think it's an X1 issue. But stability isn't really a problem for the most part. When it totally shuts down, it does it at random and isn't something I can duplicate other than with old DX plugs...which I know is probably the reason. But they work in 8.5. :)

Templates, instrument tracks...these seem quirky to me. You can't use some of your old templates. X1 has a baby on the spot with them so you must reconstruct new ones from the ground up. I don't know about you, but man, I have put countless hours into my templates and instrument track templates. Like insane amounts of time. I don't have the time nor the desire to have to recreate them all just because this program decides it doesn't like them. I have been trying to recreate them a little at a time...like one per week or so, but it's a drag man...it truly is. If you saw one of my crazy drum templates, you'd know exactly why this has bothered me so bad. And even some that I have created from the ground up just for X1, still shut the program right down as soon as it finishes implementing the instrument template. That totally makes me angry and I move right back to 8.5.

I just don't have the patience for this type of stuff because I run a really intense business over here. I've been trying my best to like X1 since it came out. Like...forcing myself to like it because I paid for it. Yes it's a good DAW and yes, it was worth the price I paid for it, but to be honest, it's not been worth the aggravation or the new learning curve you have to force yourself into. I'm not working any faster...it's taking me longer because I still spend time looking for things that are just no longer in my face or as easy to find.

So if 8.5 is stable for you and you are having no issues, I say keep it. X1 is cool, you may like it, you may hate it, or you may be like me...confused and on the fence due to what you like about X1 that isn't in 8.5. I won't be upgrading to anything for quite a while because this has been quite an experience for me that I don't wish to relive any time soon. 
 
-Danny

Thanks Danny.

That must be the sanest advice I've ever heard on the subject.

The template thing is a big consideration for me, as like you, by now I have a large array of pretty complex, specific task oriented templates that I've put a lot of work into that I wouldn't relish having to remake.

See, that's the kind of practical workmanlike perspective I really appreciate. Pro-Channel I'm not bothered about at all as I'm normally getting creative with different stuff all the time rather than looking to get repeatable results from conventional tracking sessions, so Expanded's FX chains 2 (son of FX chains...lol) looks far more appealing and useful to me than PC, and is the one thing that is making me teeter ever closer to pulling the trigger on X1.

The price aspect isn't really too much of a big deal currently at £70, and I've always considered the Cakewalk upgrade path has been a good value annual maintenance fee for a content creation app.  I just wish the marketing dept. could get clear with a tangible policy for rewarding 'loyalty' that actually makes sense.  Some of the crazy ideas and stuff coming out of there recently frankly scares right me off, exactly the opposite of what a marketing dept should be doing IMO.

@Brother Grant.

The Rewire thing in X1 I've had checked out and whilst there are no improvements in that area I don't think it has got any worse.  Here is another area that makes me hold off, although many fixes have been supplied to address problems that X1 itself introduced some basic functionality that is broken stays broke when a simple fix of a long-standing issue here would appeal to many.

And this one is a simple fix to a routing matrix located in an external .dll yet it has remained unadressed for several versions despite several bug fix submissions to report it and acknowledgements that it doesn't work as intended and has been submitted to development.

For those that are unaware, this is one of the reason why some of us are prepared to risk be insulted as 'bashers' because howling at the moon seems to be the only recourse left.

Of course if somebody really wanted to bash Cakewalk, which I don't incidentally, but I do feel they can and ought up their game, they could join in the chorus at somewhere like KVR, rather than run the risk of being confronted with the contentless vitriol that seems to have become acceptable here toward anyone that doesn't join in with a 'kewl, count me in, me too' posture.

Jonbouy


Thanks Danny.

That must be the sanest advice I've ever heard on the subject.

The template thing is a big consideration for me, as like you, by now I have a large array of pretty complex, specific task oriented templates that I've put a lot of work into that I wouldn't relish having to remake.

See, that's the kind of practical workmanlike perspective I really appreciate. Pro-Channel I'm not bothered about at all as I'm normally getting creative with different stuff all the time rather than looking to get repeatable results from conventional tracking sessions, so Expanded's FX chains 2 (son of FX chains...lol) looks far more appealing and useful to me than PC, and is the one thing that is making me teeter ever closer to pulling the trigger on X1.

The price aspect isn't really too much of a big deal currently at £70, and I've always considered the Cakewalk upgrade path has been a good value annual maintenance fee for a content creation app.  I just wish the marketing dept. could get clear with a tangible policy for rewarding 'loyalty' that actually makes sense.  Some of the crazy ideas and stuff coming out of there recently frankly scares right me off, exactly the opposite of what a marketing dept should be doing IMO.

@Brother Grant.

The Rewire thing in X1 I've had checked out and whilst there are no improvements in that area I don't think it has got any worse.

No problem Jon. Reading your message, it's probably worth it for you to take the plunge. I think you'll definitely like X1 after messing with it some...but like I say, it really does matter how you use the program...and that will be the deciding factor as to whether or not it becomes your "go to" or "run from" program. LOL! :)
 
-Danny

Like Danny, I am of two minds with X1.

There are a few things that make my work easier, more creative, better results. Then there are some things that just seem so ridiculously bass-ackwards from the way the program has worked for years, so there is a steep learning curve that at times I don't think was worth it.

There are still some stupid bugs/programatic choices they made (who can ever tell the difference!) that drive me batty.

It does seem to run easier on the processor.

The ProChannel is nice, but it is what it is...I have third party plugs that simply blow it away. The Saturation is good.

The drag and drop is cool though at times I simply cannot do it with a midi loop, for reasons beyond me.

Never created an effects chain...not sure why that is so popular...as all my tweaked settings are saved as presets in the VST...maybe it saves a few seconds.

Welcome back.