Lynn
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I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
Hello to all my forum friends. I have a brand new song for you to dissect. It's a little on the grim side, but it's not meant to be gloomy. I think it might make a good video, but I want to be sure about the mix before I commit to putting it in Vegas. Any and all suggestions are welcome, so hit me with your best shot. Thanks for your time! It can be found here: http://www.soundclick.com...ngid=13335986&q=hi
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/15 13:03:50
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Great song. mix is good in my opinion
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/15 13:30:06
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☄ Helpfulby Lynn 2016/03/25 21:33:59
From the very start, it is clear to me that your recording and mixing skills have really grown over the last couple of years. Very clear recording, lots of clarity in the vocals and the instruments aren't fighting with the vocal or each
other.
The horn(s) that comes in sound a little too close, IMO. I'd push them further back for that STAX, Tower of Power sound.
Great job Lynn!
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/15 13:51:19
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Good tune. A couple things:
You might accentuate the interesting chord change at 00:22 in - Add a little volume, or maybe add a guitar high note and lean into the change a bit.
Maybe you could eq a little more of the lows out of the lead vocal and take a listen.
Interestingly, the subject matter of this song reminds me of my very-different sounding "Who Ya Gonna Blame", which also has a youtube video.
Good job.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/15 19:49:16
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Cool tune.... it has a slight psychedelic sound to the guitar.... a flashback to the 60's kind of tone and playing.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/15 21:42:10
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Lovely tune. Excellent mix - nice and clear. Reminds me of an old Harry Chapin tune except darker. Love the horns... nice touch. Yes this could be the essence of a nice video.... Good luck with it! Nice job! I like that little bit at the end
( stick transcients? ) perhaps in the video you could lead in with it with foot steps ???
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/16 03:20:45
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I like how it starts off dreamy . It gives me the opportunity to zone in on the lyrics and songs message . On a social level people are confused and fed up with what your songs message is all about . At 1:46 I think the music is good , Yet I think the musical end needs to reflect more attitude and anger for that section of the song . What you did there was good as is , Yet why not tap into peoples anger and frustration ? and give them an anthem . all the best . Kenny
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Lynn
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/16 11:30:11
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Thanks to all who have taken the time to listen. Makke, thanks for your kind words! Dan, you've given me much good advise over the years, and I think some of it has sunk in. I'm lowering the horns on the next pass. Bob, thanks for your ideas which are good. I'll listen carefully to the vocal's EQ next time. Herb, you have a very good ear. I used the "House Burning Down" preset in my S-Gear sim. Bob, the ending came from a Z3ta + 2 preset. Actually, the long version of this song starts with those sounds along with a string arrangement, but the song ends up being 5 minutes long, so I left it off. Thanks for your contribution. Kenny, I like your ideas, but I'm reluctant to tap into that anger and frustration that so many feel. This is my personal statement on death (all kinds) which reflects my sadness, not anger. There are a lot of people in society that reflect anger and frustration already, but I'm not one of them. I think we already have a good anthem in this country.
post edited by Lynn - 2016/03/16 13:20:09
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/16 11:53:50
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Hey Lynn, when I said push the horns back, I wasn't really talking about levels. I'm talking about the space they reside in. If you listen to some TOP or similar, you'll hear that there is always some ambiance on the horns to give them a space of their own. After pushing them back into their own space, then you can reevaluate their levels.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/16 12:32:42
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Nice to hear from you again Lynn the mix seems to work here, interesting topic, thanks for sharing.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/16 12:49:13
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Wookie, it's good to hear from you. Thanks for the kind words.
Dan, I subtly boosted the reverb in Session Horns which achieved the desired results, I believe. It's not posted, yet, but I'll get to that later. Thanks again.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/16 21:35:05
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Nice song and the mix sounds excellent.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/18 14:17:49
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Nice one, Lynn. I don't know that I personally find the tone of the lyrics "dark" necessarily, but maybe more as poignant. And musically, it matches up well with the lyrics and it all fits together - a bit retro but with some modern polish.
I also think it'd be a great song to put to video.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/18 19:49:12
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Really nice work Lynn. Poignant social commentary from a personal perspective. It definitely would make an excellent video. The mix sounds great to me. I wish that I could get the clarity and separation that you get. I am not a big fan of over production as it can (IMHO) take away the emotion of a song or in some cases over-dramatize it. You have hit on a good balance. You start off in what seems a reflective manner and build to more of a frustrated (not angry) emotion at the end. Your use of various instruments and vocalizations as fills and accents is very tasteful indeed.
Brilliant stuff my friend!
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/18 20:48:40
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To Scott, Steve, and Freddy - thank you my friends! You are encouraging me in ways unexpected. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good ;)
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/18 22:01:09
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nice tune.
The mix was clean and your voice has just the right edge for the lyrics.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/19 00:18:22
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I like the lyrics...Fit the tune very well. And that guitar sound!
One idea: at the end you repeat the title lyric in the background, and a fuzzed-out distorted version might accent the emotion. But it is ready to go as is.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/19 10:34:45
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Great job Lynn. My only (personal taste) crit is the left rhythm guit is a tad loud and/or spread a bit too far out.
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/19 12:05:15
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Very cool song Lynn and great mix/performances. Love the guitar licks.
My only personal thing is I really dislike the horn thing - sorry mate but I will always be honest with you. If you do change it, maybe a big synth thing or something? Or even just take it out completely?
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Re: I Don't Know When To Cry Anymore
2016/03/19 14:19:54
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Tom, thank you for the kind words and your time.
cwestmont, thanks for you time and idea re: the ending. I'll play with that.
Ed, thanks for your comments and time. I'll listen for that on the next pass.
Daryl, I do appreciate your honesty always. And, just because you said it, I will automatically consider this. Actually, I auditioned a number of synth sounds in Z3ta, DimPro, and Rapture Pro before settling on the horns. I decided the horns were more expressive because of their volume swell and the long notes. I've gotten so used to them that it would be akin to taking the cellos out of "Eleanor Rigby" ;)
Again, thank you all for your contributions!
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