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2015/08/16 10:30:48 (permalink)

I Dream of Wires

This documentary just popped up on Netflix this morning. It's a history of the modular synthesizer, and although there are gaps in the story it's still very interesting to anyone who's nostalgic about the early days of synths. Highly Recommended.
 
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 10:49:29 (permalink)
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Digital equivalents may be cheaper and more accessible, but they will never have a lickable module.




And probably won't need to be tuned before using either! 

 
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 11:37:43 (permalink)
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Digital equivalents may be cheaper and more accessible, but they will never have a lickable module.


Dribbling on your VSTi's is not recommended. 

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 13:01:11 (permalink)
Added to my list.
 
But not for "nostalgic" reasons. 

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 13:43:27 (permalink)
Yep. Gonna be watched a lot here..
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 14:07:03 (permalink)
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This documentary just popped up on Netflix this morning. It's a history of the modular synthesizer, and although there are gaps in the story it's still very interesting to anyone who's nostalgic about the early days of synths. Highly Recommended.
 



Hmmm looks like this is US only for the time being ... not listed on Austrian netflix yet ...

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 16:52:19 (permalink)
Damn ... streaming only at the moment.  Not available on Amazon Prime Video either.
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 17:45:42 (permalink)
The film was only released on July 26th, so I'm a little surprised that it showed up on Netflix so quickly. I see that you can already buy it on Amazon, though.


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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 22:29:25 (permalink)
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This documentary just popped up on Netflix this morning. It's a history of the modular synthesizer, and although there are gaps in the story it's still very interesting to anyone who's nostalgic about the early days of synths. Highly Recommended.
 



Hmmm looks like this is US only for the time being ... not listed on Austrian netflix yet ...




Not here in Canada yet either...

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/16 23:11:08 (permalink)
Gee, I'm sorry about getting your hopes up only to find it's not yet available in your countries. Austria, I can understand. It's probably EU red tape. But Canada? Really? Cheese and hockey!
 
I know there is an active group of modular enthusiasts in the Seattle area, as I ran across a meetup announcement a couple years back. Unfortunately, it had been scheduled for a week when I was to be out of town, so I missed it. I'm going to keep an eye out now and try to catch the next one. If any of you guys who are local to me find out about one, please give me a shout. The last one I know about was held, IIRC, at North Seattle Community College.


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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/17 00:33:29 (permalink)

I Dream of Tires?

 
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/17 01:01:48 (permalink)
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I know there is an active group of modular enthusiasts in the Seattle area, as I ran across a meetup announcement a couple years back. Unfortunately, it had been scheduled for a week when I was to be out of town, so I missed it. I'm going to keep an eye out now and try to catch the next one. If any of you guys who are local to me find out about one, please give me a shout. The last one I know about was held, IIRC, at North Seattle Community College.



You have to be a member for the "Gatherings, Events & Meets" subforum, but this is the place you seek for all things modular.
 
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/index.php

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/17 01:48:10 (permalink)
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This documentary just popped up on Netflix this morning. It's a history of the modular synthesizer, and although there are gaps in the story it's still very interesting to anyone who's nostalgic about the early days of synths. Highly Recommended.



Thanks Dave... I will look out for that

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/17 08:40:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/08/31 15:22:17
Thanks for the muffwiggler link, Drew. I'd heard the term before, but was expecting an entirely different type of site. I may have been confusing it with muffdiver.com.
 


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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/17 12:06:58 (permalink)
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Thanks for the muffwiggler link, Drew. I'd heard the term before, but was expecting an entirely different type of site. I may have been confusing it with muffdiver.com.
 




Yes, well apparently the name comes from the combination of two EH effect pedals, the famed Big Muff and The Wiggler -  and a certain sense of humor.
 
I should add that that forum has a culture that is less reigned-in than ours - so if salty language and occasional images offend you or your workplace has you on a low-sodium-language diet you might wish to take note. It's not terrible or anything, but some people are more sensitive to such things than others. And it is my understanding that there are sub-forums there that may contain explicit material, but I have never visited them, um, there.
 
Also - Beagle take note(!) - they seem to have an odd "cat fancy" thing there for some reason.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/19 08:12:23 (permalink)
bit, thanks for sharing. I just watched and enjoyed it.
 
When I was young, my brother played Switched on Bach a lot for me. I loved that album. I purchased it as an adult (digital media) but still sounds good to me.
 
While I am not into that kinda stuff, it is interesting to see the resurgence of the concept.

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/19 09:12:27 (permalink)
Hi,
 
Somethings are crazy ... you look at Klaus Schulze's setup on Das Rheingold, and the crazy stacks behind him, and his mixing board (he mixes his own live!), and you wonder ... at one time you know there were wires everywhere. And in one of those specials, they are talking about a moment in one of the pieces and how they enhanced it a bit ... and it was truly magnificent, with one exception ... you'll be hard pressed to find it in the huge piece that it is a part of, but it tells you some of the little things that make his work so strong and enjoyable.
 
It is not for everyone, as some think he is boring as heck, but the subtleties are insane! 
post edited by Moshkito - 2015/12/12 11:21:29

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/19 10:10:51 (permalink)
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When I was young, my brother played Switched on Bach a lot for me. I loved that album. I purchased it as an adult (digital media) but still sounds good to me.

There were enormous gaps in the history presented in the film. Perhaps the most egregious omission was Tomita's Snowflakes are Dancing. That album actually predates Switched on Bach but could not be released until SoB demonstrated that a market existed. Snowflakes is vastly more sophisticated, both musically and technically. SoB sounded mechanical and dull by comparison, while Snowflakes oozed lushness and expressiveness and showed that the synthesizer could be much more than a novelty.
 
I still like Switched on Bach and its sequel, mainly because I am a fan of J.S.B. But I can't think of another synth-only recording that has held up as well over the years as Snowflakes are Dancing.
 


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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/19 10:36:52 (permalink)
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When I was young, my brother played Switched on Bach a lot for me. I loved that album. I purchased it as an adult (digital media) but still sounds good to me.

There were enormous gaps in the history presented in the film. Perhaps the most egregious omission was Tomita's Snowflakes are Dancing. That album actually predates Switched on Bach but could not be released until SoB demonstrated that a market existed. Snowflakes is vastly more sophisticated, both musically and technically. SoB sounded mechanical and dull by comparison, while Snowflakes oozed lushness and expressiveness and showed that the synthesizer could be much more than a novelty.
 
I still like Switched on Bach and its sequel, mainly because I am a fan of J.S.B. But I can't think of another synth-only recording that has held up as well over the years as Snowflakes are Dancing.
 


Thanks. I am going to go check that out!

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/19 11:54:21 (permalink)
Snowflakes are Dancing is the only thing I have from Isao, I'm guessing he must have done other things, but I don't have them.  I suppose I'll have to do some research! 

 
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/20 08:56:01 (permalink)
Tomita's catalog is impressive. My favorites are his cover of Holst's The Planets and Kosmos, a potpourri of miscellaneous odds and ends. Pictures at an Exhibition shows some of his most inventive interpretations, and is especially interesting juxtaposed with the ELP version.


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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/20 09:04:20 (permalink)
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When I was young, my brother played Switched on Bach a lot for me. I loved that album. I purchased it as an adult (digital media) but still sounds good to me.

... 
I still like Switched on Bach and its sequel, mainly because I am a fan of J.S.B. But I can't think of another synth-only recording that has held up as well over the years as Snowflakes are Dancing.
 


The only one I can think of, is Tomita's Firebird Suite, which is astounding, and fits the imagery so much better, and deserves another listen. I have a version (not complete -- missing first few minutes) where my roommate in Santa Barbara played the album on the radio ... he used to play two of them at the same time in many cases, to get that swish feeling and wobbly imagery in your head ... and let me tell you ... that is above and beyond "music" ... and totally out of this world! Makes synthesizers ... be more than just synths!
 
His version of The Planets is also excellent. But yeah, Snowflakes are Dancing is a magnificent album, and I'm not sure people know what it means nowadays, but it was a RED LABEL album, which means it got special treatment along only a handful of classical music albums at the time!
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/20 09:07:39 (permalink)
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Also - Beagle take note(!) - they seem to have an odd "cat fancy" thing there for some reason.



Sometimes it's too much dog ... thing ... around here! We need some cats!

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/20 12:10:01 (permalink)
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... 
Also - Beagle take note(!) - they seem to have an odd "cat fancy" thing there for some reason.



Sometimes it's too much dog ... thing ... around here! We need some cats!





 
It's just that they have a cultural idiosyncrasy regarding cats there for some reason.
 
 
Though I have (at least - can't remember off the top of my head) Tomita's Planets and Firebird, I tend to prefer Wendy Carlos' works.

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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/20 12:12:00 (permalink)
So I've been cruising around the muffwiggler site, testing the waters to see if it's a place I'd want to spend any time in. 
 
The logical place to start seemed to be the "Your Tunes Here" subforum, the equivalent of our Songs forum. I wanted to see if forum members' stuff was the ear-grating random noise of early experimental electronica, the mind-numbing repetition of techno, or if it had progressed to something more musical.
 
I found examples of all three, but for the most part the typical submission consisted of interesting sounds in excruciatingly uninteresting musical contexts. Does anybody really want to listen to slowly-modulated white noise for 10 minutes?
 
 


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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/20 12:17:41 (permalink)
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So I've been cruising around the muffwiggler site, testing the waters to see if it's a place I'd want to spend any time in. 
 
The logical place to start seemed to be the "Your Tunes Here" subforum, the equivalent of our Songs forum. I wanted to see if forum members' stuff was the ear-grating random noise of early experimental electronica, the mind-numbing repetition of techno, or if it had progressed to something more musical.
 
I found examples of all three, but for the most part the typical submission consisted of interesting sounds in excruciatingly uninteresting musical contexts. Does anybody really want to listen to slowly-modulated white noise for 10 minutes?
 
 




I don't really understand the electronic music stuff, so...
 
 
But I do know that many folks over there seem to want things like EG's and LFO's with time frames of tens of minutes or even hours. Personally I don't get it. 

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/20 12:25:12 (permalink)
I saw the movie on Netflix last night and liked it. OK it's about modulars, but I don't see why they had to diss computer-based music (soft synths and DAWs) so much.
 
And I don't remember any mention of what they use to record, master, and distribute their music.
 
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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/21 09:35:57 (permalink)
I suppose the purists use tape and razor blades, like their heroes of yesteryear. Like I used to do myself.
 
Before discovering MIDI sequencers (Cakewalk 1.0, c. 1988), the simplest arrangements would take me days to assemble. Keep in mind that a 3-note chord requires 3 separate tracks with a monophonic synthesizer, and I only had a 4-track machine. There was always a sense of accomplishment at the end of the process, regardless how mundane the composition.
 
This is a big part of what makes Tomita's Snowflakes are Dancing such a monumental feat. It took him 2 years and lots of splicing and bouncing. And he didn't have a technical guy on hand like Carlos did; Tomita's was the only synthesizer in all of Japan at the time, and he the only (self-taught) expert. 
 


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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/21 11:01:55 (permalink)
Check out this documentary about the Moog Modular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7TJyPAyTiQ
 
When I saw Keith Emerson perform with this instrument in 1970 (in Frankfurt), I was unaware that it had previously only been used in live performance one other time: a one-off demonstration at the Museum of Modern Art. I didn't know that this synth had been custom-built for Emerson, nor did I appreciate what a pioneer Emerson was at the time.
 
I just remember that the concert was held up for hours while the synth cleared customs. Seems the customs agent did not have a suitable classification for it in his book. So we sat on the floor for 3-4 hours passing joints while we waiting for the notorious German bureaucracy to do its thing. I'd had similar experiences bringing my own gear into Germany from England.


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Re: I Dream of Wires 2015/08/21 14:26:49 (permalink)
Ah, that will be something good to watch while eating lunch.  You also are bringing back fond memories of being in Frankfurt in '81 for me - lol!

 
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