CakeAlexS
Don't forget to run windows update several times inc optional updates before

I totally disagree. Avoid optional unless you know exactly what you're looking for and you have system restore enabled or better yet some disk / partition imaging software like Macrium Reflect.
Otherwise only do critical.
I've seen optional ( graphics drivers ) make booting form the DVD necessary to do a system restore.

g_randybrown
I've experienced some issues with clicking/stuttering audio when moving my mouse.
 

Sounds to me like USB mouse and USB audio interface

Steve_Karl

g_randybrown
I've experienced some issues with clicking/stuttering audio when moving my mouse.
 

Sounds to me like USB mouse and USB audio interface

Interesting Steve and John, my issue may actually be resolved and I didn't even realize it!
A week ago, I along with dcumpian's correspondence (in the "Gear/Hardware forum") discovered my USB connected Axiom 61 was causing problems with the USB connected Audiobox (Audiobox wouldn't start unless Axiom was turned on when booting and issue went away when connecting the Axiom via MIDI cable).
Anyway I worked for several hours today on a pretty demanding project and I don't recall having the (minor) issue.
I'll report back if I notice it again.
Thanks guys,
Randy
 

Steve_Karl

CakeAlexS
Don't forget to run windows update several times inc optional updates before

I totally disagree. Avoid optional unless you know exactly what you're looking for and you have system restore enabled or better yet some disk / partition imaging software like Macrium Reflect.
Otherwise only do critical.
I've seen optional ( graphics drivers ) make booting form the DVD necessary to do a system restore.

Pretty much all the optimal updates are to do with performance apart from stupid bing which I would avoid. C++ updates are actually pretty much essential. I have never experienced an issue with optional updates* BTW if MS thought it was for experts only they would not provide them in a consumer friendly format, MS supplies online updates generally for a good reason. Yeah I agree its probably best to avoid driver updates from MS and get them direct from the manufacturers site (*nVidia driver issues come to mind). It is rare though that MS supplies drivers nowadays. I still strongly recommend optional updates though, the benefits totally out weight the risks. We see tons of issues from people who dont connect to the internet here, much more than those who do. Yes ALWAYS backup, but don't ever be afraid of updates (we no longer live in the 90s).

Steve_Karl

Keni
But I depend on fast access to constantly varying zoom needs. It worked great for me up until the Lanes feature was implemented... Now some problems are "as intended" limitations and others are bugs... And it severely hinders my work.
Keni

It sounds like you might have experienced a version where these problems didn't exist?
So is there something in x3e that makes it worth dealing with the problems?
... and if not why are you not using the earlier version that didn't have the problems?

Hi Steve...

There are far too many good things about the current version. I would have to go back to X1 to get zoom fixed...

I can easily live with most every other issue I have with the X generation if zoom was "fixed". It "wastes" too much time and is the cause of a lot of frustration for me, but I am very happy with the results I get..

Zoom, zoom, zoom!

;-)

Keni

Beepster
Hi, Keni. Glad you are at least mostly in a better place with the software now.
 
I know perhaps you don't want to hear another of my ever optimistic views that likely don't take your specific workflow into consideration but...
 
I keep seeing you refer to Zoom issues which for the most part seems to be the major complaint at this point now that you've made a reasonable peace with Take Lanes. Could you describe how you are zooming and/or how you expect zoom to work?
 
I am unsure whether this is a height or timeline zoom issue but I am assuming you are heavily using keybindings for zooming either way.
 
If it's timeline zooming though, (and I briefly mentioned this in one of your previous threads but didn't go into detail because there were other problems bothering you more AFAICT) I really think adding the click/drag timeline zooming feature into your workflow. I know in many ways a keyboard oriented workflow is optimal (and I myself try to use as many shortcuts for general functions as possible) but to me just reaching up to the time ruler and dragging up/down to zoom and left/right to navigate (at the same time no less) was a MAJOR boon to how I work. It is a million times easier and was one of the big selling points for X2 for me. I have never experienced any kind of bugs or quirks with it either even when I was pulling my hair out over other problems in X2. Awesome feature and only requires that you break one workflow habit (which admittedly can be difficult but in this case is a huge time save).
 
If however this is a vertical zoom issue I would like to explore it myself. I have been having an issue with jumping screens so perhaps that is the problem. If so I have some possible insights that might help you at least anticipate the behavior so you can avoid them or mitigate them. If it is the same issue I also posted a thread about them recently that drew the attention of at least one baker who confirmed it as did other users. I don't expect another patch for X3 at this point but X4 (or whatever they decide to name it) is right around the corner and honestly I think under the new management and the renewed enthusiasm we've seen from the Bakers it should be a good release.
 
Hope you've been well. Cheers.

Thanks Beepster...

This is specifically targeted at the use of holding the Z key and click-dragging an area to display only that area filling the screen.

I use all the various zooming tools as they appear to be the best method for me at the time and situation. Using the click-drag method has previously been the fastest route to what I need. It now NLT works in very limited situations. Every other method takes more time, clicks, drags and frustration where the dragging got me directly there.

Then there's the other issue with it when twrong within Lanes... That apparently works as intended, but is useless to me as it is... LANs can't get small enough or large enough to accommodate my needs and the way it sooks the track more than the lanes so much of the time leaves me clicking and dragging "manually" from different places to accomplish the zoom I need... I don't ever really get the zoom I want for a Lane even with all the needed moves to get there... For me this zoom method (click-drag) should fill the screen with NLT the selected area whether it's a Lane or a Track...

The primary "bug" is something needing fixing (zoom not working correctly if there are Folders or hidden tracks)...

The Lane zoom needs it's limitations removed. A Lane should be able to get as small as a single line of buttons and as large as filling the screen...

I have a number of other issues with the UI, but this one is so constant that it plagues me...

...and I have no problem with your optomistic attitude. I wish I could be. But I don't let any of this stop my work...

I look forward to the Bakers correcting this so I can complain something else already. I'm tired of this issue... ;-)

Keni

Performance (often tons of patches), reliability and stability (yes MS often posts fixes in this area), and you get less issues with software depency issues as MS libraries are often updates in this area (if you don't use them they lie dorment anyway). Sorry that's 3 :) I don't see any disadvantages whatsoever other than as you say drivers (probably best from manufacturers site) and the crap MS tries to peddle like Bing which is probably best avoided.

CakeAlexS
Nothing like a clean install. Updates never do the job fully you just got to see the errors on the windows event viewer afterwards. Don't forget to run windows update several times inc optional updates before you install any applications (straight after windows install). Cheers.

 
Thanks Alex, I will. Not looking forward to the program install step(s). But it will be worth it for a little performance boost to have a naturally as possible clean registry.
 
FWIW: I too install all the primary updates. My thinking is the team at microsoft is working to improve my system for security and performance. I seldom install an optional update like you mentioned, bing, ms essentials...

Keni
Not to diminish the troubles that some are having as always, but overall there seems to be a serenity?
 

I think most are serene by default...
 
You're my baseline, Keni.  I don't yet have access to sufficient free time to use Sonar enough to have a valid opinion (and I'm staying far away from X2 take lanes) but I look forward to the day that you are completely happy with it.  Then I'll know the time has come for me to pour my life into it.
 

Huh....  And here I thought most everyone loved bling. 
 

 

CakeAlexS
I prefer bong...

Get's my vote 

Since the CW managers decided to waste at least 10% of the screen space the zoom functions should work properly.
 
(The command/ribbon uses nearly 4 times the space of the 8.5.3 button bar. And is majorly cluttered: Clutter::  a large amount of things that are not arranged in a neat or orderly way : a crowded or disordered collection of things.  To display the most important buttons on the command/ribbon requires showing 3 times as many not-needed cluttering buttons.)
 
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I apply ALL MS updates.  'Cept for Bing.
 
The hardware drivers are usually not created by MS. They are supplied by the manufacturers.
 
I ALWAYS install drivers separately.
 
Installed windows update video drivers on 3 client computers today. New Dell computers, Nvidea drivers. Much easier than attempting to go through the Nvidea auto scan disappointment, or attempting to find the correct version of the hardware with all the little selection windows.
 
Real tired of AMD/ATI,...  system scans not working on W8, after nearly 2 years.
 
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What's brown and sounds like a bell?
 
DUNG!   
(beeeng!)

I was having a few issues which in the end I tracked down to problems with Arturia VST3 synths. I have a workaround now so I am happy.
 
I have no real issues with X3 and its the best Sonar yet. 

jm24
Since the CW managers decided to waste at least 10% of the screen space the zoom functions should work properly.
 
(The command/ribbon uses nearly 4 times the space of the 8.5.3 button bar. And is majorly cluttered: Clutter::  a large amount of things that are not arranged in a neat or orderly way : a crowded or disordered collection of things.  To display the most important buttons on the command/ribbon requires showing 3 times as many not-needed cluttering buttons.)
 
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I apply ALL MS updates.  'Cept for Bing.
 
The hardware drivers are usually not created by MS. They are supplied by the manufacturers.
 
I ALWAYS install drivers separately.
 
Installed windows update video drivers on 3 client computers today. New Dell computers, Nvidea drivers. Much easier than attempting to go through the Nvidea auto scan disappointment, or attempting to find the correct version of the hardware with all the little selection windows.
 
Real tired of AMD/ATI,...  system scans not working on W8, after nearly 2 years.
 
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What's brown and sounds like a bell?
 
DUNG!   
(beeeng!)

Hi jm...

Yes, they replaced the old screen clutter for new. Now we see less onscreen so for me I'm always dealing with a more cluttered mess trying to see what I need... And with zoom in its current state it stresses me out... Constantly...

I too am guessing we won't see another updat before the paid release. And I don't mind paying for the continued maintenance and development of Sonar regardless, but I sorely need to stop the zoom frustrations currently in effect...

The move to have touch-enabled programs has been a new set of problems which do not help me. Even on the best that I've experienced, our fingertips are far too imprecise to work with... Having a large enough screen with high enough resolution might make it easier, but then I'd be reaching too far to get things... I hope the next version takes such into consideration and maybe makes a separate setup for those with/without touch needs... I was far happier with the 8.5.3 interface myself...

Keni

Notes are extremely useful to me. Although notes could just 'pop up' to save space.As everything is going touch screen nowadays expect more touch friendly UIs taking further screen real estate in future. Monitors are cheap nowadays and you can buy more than one of them (nice big ones ideally). Cheers..