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I Need One Of You Helpful People...
...to answer me a question.
Again.
A while back I inquired about how to go about copying my LP's to my computer.
I know I need some sort of EQ or amp but forget the name.
I believe it's something like 'RIAA EQ/Amp'.
Please help jog my memory.
Thanks.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/26 21:23:50
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Yep, it's RIAA. I tell ya, these forums are the best when it comes to helpful information. Thanks all.  Mike
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/26 21:49:49
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 01:56:15
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Buy a USB turntable.
One of my clients surprised me by giving me a brand new one.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 06:55:06
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Buy a USB turntable. Yes I want one of those, it would be very useful every now and then.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 07:06:32
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depending on what LPs you have, it'd prob be quicker and easier to just d/l the music...
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 07:13:33
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mgh
depending on what LPs you have, it'd prob be quicker and easier to just d/l the music...
That might be true of a lot of it anymore...but then if you have the USB turntable...and the record...why not? I do a combination here myself...simply because there are some "free jazz" things that I simply cannot FIND on d/l sites...
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 07:24:41
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Jonbouy
Buy a USB turntable.
Yes I want one of those, it would be very useful every now and then.
One thing in those USB turntables makes me wonder: The price. All the ones I've seen advertised are cheaper than a proper turntable pickup (or stylus or what is it in english). That makes me think the sound quality must be lowsy. Maybe there are some in a more believable price range?
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 07:47:06
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Jonbouy
Buy a USB turntable.
Yes I want one of those, it would be very useful every now and then.
One thing in those USB turntables makes me wonder: The price.
All the ones I've seen advertised are cheaper than a proper turntable pickup (or stylus or what is it in english). That makes me think the sound quality must be lowsy.
Maybe there are some in a more believable price range?
If you're that worried about the quality of the pickup, and the wow and flutter from the moulded plastic platter, then maybe you shouldn't be ripping your LPs to mp3 in the first place...
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 07:52:11
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mgh
depending on what LPs you have, it'd prob be quicker and easier to just d/l the music...
I've got some where this idea sadly doesn't work. I'm not too bothered about stellar quality either, the time for worrying about that would have been before the vinyl got abused with alcohol spillages and pinhole burns... not to mention the damaged caused by the weight of coins placed on the cartridge holder to prevent skipping because the floor was bouncing up and down... 
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 07:52:45
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Don't most people that own a turntable also own a preamp or receiver?
A turntable's output is super quiet and pretty much useless without a pre stage for the cartridge output... and that's where the RIAA curve is applied.
Mike, if you do have one of these units simply take the line out, tape out, or aux out from that device and get it into your computer.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 08:00:09
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Jonbouy
not to mention the damaged caused by the weight of coins placed on the cartridge holder to prevent skipping because the floor was bouncing up and down...
Aren't you a bit too old to still have your record player in your bedroom??  (I certainly am)
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Aren't you a bit too old to still have your record player in your bedroom?? No, this is the best age to be, I can do what I like and not get told off!...
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 08:11:04
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Jonbouy
Aren't you a bit too old to still have your record player in your bedroom??
No, this is the best age to be, I can do what I like and not get told off!...
Shirley that depends on the size of your wallet?
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 08:17:28
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Does your turntable have a preamp?
Mine does, so to make digital copies of my vinyl I just ran the RCA outs into my soundcard. They sounded great, better than the re-released CD versions actually...
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 10:27:42
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Does your turntable have a preamp?
Mine does, so to make digital copies of my vinyl I just ran the RCA outs into my soundcard. They sounded great, better than the re-released CD versions actually...
Ditto.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 10:32:46
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Slugbaby
Does your turntable have a preamp?
Mine does, so to make digital copies of my vinyl I just ran the RCA outs into my soundcard. They sounded great, better than the re-released CD versions actually...
Ditto.
Yep... if you have a "mastering suite" like Ozone, you can really make those old tapes and LP's sound good. I did that some time back with an old cassette. It sounded better (to me) that the original. Line out worked for me.
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Shirley that depends on the size of your wallet?
HIS name is not SHIRLEY
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 12:09:23
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I suggest buying a CD recorder for your stereo system.
I have 2k or so LPs. I want to save them. I would never consider putting a second rate cartridge on them if only for fear of shaving groove off.
Alesis makes the Masterlink, but there are other cheaper alternatives.
Alternatively, if you have an audio interface with a light pipe connection to your PC, you can hook up a "record out" from your pre-amp (would normally go to a tape deck...)
You do have to have some type of RIAA equalization to correct things. People complained about the early CDs and how harsh they sounded. It seems that some of the material was transferred directly from tape masters to CD.
But the problem with the tape masters was that they had been EQd for vinyl.
A brief explanation of RIAA might help understand
Think about the energy in a kick drum versus a triangle. Kicks have a ton of low frequency energy. But recording that low frequency energy would cause relatively extreme excursions in the groove. As such, the low frequencies were cut when the record was cut and the gain was made back up in the cartridge preamp - which did the inverse of what the EQ was doing to cut the bass being cut into the vinyl.
Without RIAA, you are going to hear very harsh ear splitting garbage. Sort of like Lady Ga Ga.
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One other thing - restoration suites are able to get rid of some hiss and clicks and pops.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 18:02:21
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There is nothing stopping you buying a "cheap" USB turntable and retro fitting an expensive cartridge and stylus.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 19:10:47
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RIAA curve is built right into every phono preamp that is, well, a phono preamp.
If you can get sound from your turntable into a phono preamp and out to the DAW (or if the preamp is built into your turntable... usually only on budget rigs) you don't need to know anything else.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/27 19:46:21
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I just saw a USB turntable for 40 dollars on craigslist an ION brand which is supposed to be cheep but hey its out there
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/28 19:31:18
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Thanks for the link JB. I'll give that a run through just to see how well it works. Pdlstl, Yeah my girlfriends father has a usb turntable (he got it for only $30). I forgot about that. I think I'll just borrow that. Now that was a good memory jogging. Thats why I love this community. MGH, the records in question are my parents so some are old and aren't easily downloaded. I bought them an iPod for christmas and already looked for DL's while importing all they're CD's. Gonna read through the rest of the replies now. Mike
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/28 19:40:33
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RIAA curve is built right into every phono preamp that is, well, a phono preamp.
If you can get sound from your turntable into a phono preamp and out to the DAW (or if the preamp is built into your turntable... usually only on budget rigs) you don't need to know anything else.
Mike, I don't believe my turntable has a pre-amp (I don't have it here to check, I gave it to my parents a few years back so I'll check tomorrow) I know that I now have the turntable hooked up to an amp, then to speakers. I wonder if I could use some outs from the amp to my interface and get good results. Mike
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/29 00:45:33
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RIAA curve is built right into every phono preamp that is, well, a phono preamp.
If you can get sound from your turntable into a phono preamp and out to the DAW (or if the preamp is built into your turntable... usually only on budget rigs) you don't need to know anything else.
Mike, I don't believe my turntable has a pre-amp (I don't have it here to check, I gave it to my parents a few years back so I'll check tomorrow)
I know that I now have the turntable hooked up to an amp, then to speakers. I wonder if I could use some outs from the amp to my interface and get good results.
Mike
I don't see why not; if you have a record out, it won't know it's going to a computer and not a tape deck.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/29 07:43:06
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RIAA curve is built right into every phono preamp that is, well, a phono preamp.
If you can get sound from your turntable into a phono preamp and out to the DAW (or if the preamp is built into your turntable... usually only on budget rigs) you don't need to know anything else.
Sure you don't need to know. But that removes all the fun of being able to take everything apart and put it back together again for the sake of it...  It's a weakness I've had since I blew up my Mum's radiogram when I was 6. I got addicted to mains voltage right there. I wanted to see where all that lovely bass was coming from. Thinking about it I probably described a perfect RIAA curve as I flew through the air, including the inverse shape after she caught me.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/29 08:11:02
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RIAA curve is built right into every phono preamp that is, well, a phono preamp.
If you can get sound from your turntable into a phono preamp and out to the DAW (or if the preamp is built into your turntable... usually only on budget rigs) you don't need to know anything else.
Mike, I don't believe my turntable has a pre-amp (I don't have it here to check, I gave it to my parents a few years back so I'll check tomorrow)
I know that I now have the turntable hooked up to an amp, then to speakers. I wonder if I could use some outs from the amp to my interface and get good results.
Mike
Yes, exactly, look for aux outs, line outs, or tape outs... those are all pretty much the same thing and will be at the -10dBV norm. Most people have their phono preamp built into an amp or receiver. There were, often times, phono inputs for both Moving Cartridge and Moving Magnet cartridges... once again, if the record player is already making good sound at the speakers you are good to go an don't need to worry about that. Just find an aux out, line out, or tape out and get some connecting cables to your DAW. If your DAW has a -10dB[v] input choice, use that. You'll probably find RCA connectors on the stereo amp... so just use what ever adapters you need to get into the DAW. Ideally you can go RCA to TipSleeve unbalanced 1/4' jacks with a -10dBv switch. Try to avoid converting to a balanced TRS or XLR connection as it is more trouble than it is worth and will increase noise floor while providing the benefit of external noise rejection... not worth the trouble. When you get some spare time... try out what Jonbouy is talking about. He got lucky... they have that 220vAC on that side of the pond... way more fun than the 120vAC we get. No really... don't do that... we're joking. best regards, mike
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
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The USB I was given is a Neumark (sp?) and did not come with a cartridge. My client was nice enough to include one though.
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Re:I Need One Of You Helpful People...
2011/01/29 23:22:25
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The USB I was given is a Neumark (sp?) and did not come with a cartridge. My client was nice enough to include one though.
Does your client know how cool and deserving of a new turntable (c/w cartridge) I am?
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