I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help

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2012/03/12 21:19:53 (permalink)

I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help

The problem I am having is I try to use multiple instruments from Reason and when I go back to use additional Reason instruments inside of Sonar They go completely silent during the recording. So say for example I want to record drums from Kong by hand in Sonar's sequencer one by one meaning kick on one midi track snare on another ect when I come back to record various midi tracks the audio for the previous track doesn't play through if that makes any sense. I am having trouble expressing it because its so weird. Like I play out my snare pattern and everything is fine when I go to my next track to play in my kick pattern I can't hear the snare anymore and if I go create say a bass I cannot hear that anymore either. Does anyone know how to fix this?


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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/12 21:34:02 (permalink)
    Goto Audio preferences, uncheck 'share drivers with other programs'.

    That'll do it.

    Ah on another read of what you are saying there that might be a bit different to the usual reply.

    This is more likely to be to do with echoing your existing midi which is being sent to kong whilst recording another track which is also being sent to the same kong instance yes?

    I'm just setting up a project in 8.5 so bear with me as I'm not normal.

    When I say not normal I don't normally route midi via devices in the traditional sense I tend to use a virtual midi port so I need to set up a project in the normal way to follow you here.

    First off make sure you haven't solo'ed any particular track then make sure the tracks you've previously recorded are set to echo midi even when the focus changes to the new track you are recording/inputting on.
    post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/03/12 21:51:18

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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/12 22:24:12 (permalink)
    I have input echo on for all tracks nothing is soloed either. Share device drivers is off as well. Now the audio is starting to come back in at the end of my loop points meaning if i have a 4 or 8 bar loop it will come in on the 3rd or 7th bar of the loop.


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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 06:00:37 (permalink)
    Sounds like you've ticked all the right boxes.  OK heres' a 3 stage plan.

    1/ Observe that it all behaves correctly with looping turned off.

    2/ Contact support preferably by phone so you can go through the steps you are taking.

    3/ File a bug report.

    I think you've just reminded me why I use a virtual midi port.

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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 06:24:34 (permalink)
    You do not record drums from Kong in Sonar's sequencer. You record them in Reason's sequencer. In Reason, you can play and/or record only one instrument/track at a time...as for the other stuff you mention it isn't clear to me what is going on.

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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 07:20:09 (permalink)
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    You do not record drums from Kong in Sonar's sequencer. You record them in Reason's sequencer. In Reason, you can play and/or record only one instrument/track at a time...as for the other stuff you mention it isn't clear to me what is going on.


    You can use Sonar's sequencing capabilities to compose/record midi to be sent to any of Reason's devices. that's the point of Rewire.  To enable communication between the two apps so you can do either.

    Where did the rule 'You do not' come from?  It might end up being the only workaround but it certainly ain't a rule.

    In Sonar as in Reason you should be able to monitor previously recorded midi while recording a new track or lane as you should with any other virtual instrument.
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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 08:04:37 (permalink)
    sometimes i get this sort of thing, its usually to do with what device is selected in reason, so if you want to play a device and record the midi in sonar, go to reasons sequencer viwe and select the device you want to play/record,,,,,,,, reading this again, if i was programing the kong and wanted different tracks for different instruments, i would use the one midi track to control each pad in the kong and route the audio to different audio tracks
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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 13:34:52 (permalink)
    "You do not record drums from Kong in Sonar's sequencer. You record them in Reason's sequencer. In Reason, you can play and/or record only one instrument/track at a time...as for the other stuff you mention it isn't clear to me what is going on." That's not entirely true. The way rewire is supposed to work is it sends audio/midi data back and forth from the host to Reason and back again. However how I think this will have to work in practice is as you say because from speaking with tech support I have learned that apparently not only is there not an issue (even when there was the guy sounded like I was saying something crazy) but that there is nothing that can be done to fix this issue and that the only thing I can do is fill out a problem report. This mostly frustrates me because the main reason I upgraded to X1 in the first place was for 64 bit rewire in Sonar to work properly. Reason is my workstation / work horse and now it not working with my DAW is really making things difficult. I may just say screw it and buy another DAW because in the 3 weeks that I have had X1 I have spent more time trouble shooting than making music and tech support has been less than helpful. Thanks for your help guys I am just a bit disappointed that a well known company like Cakewalk or Roland would jeopardize their reputation with stuff like this.


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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 14:19:47 (permalink)
    wat am meaning is recording midi data in sonar by playing it in off a controller, v drums what ever and that midi data is sent to reason for the audio to go back to sonar, thats what am saying when im talking about multiple audio tracks for different one shots in the kong, you would have to set the multiple audio outs from the kong to multiple audio tracks in sonar. edit: getting my wires crossed here lol
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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 14:34:00 (permalink)
    I get you. I know how it works. I have been rewiring Reason in Home Studio 4 since 2005 the process is the same but I wanted to make sure I haven't missed a step.


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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 14:41:33 (permalink)
    The way rewire is supposed to work is it sends audio/midi data back and forth from the host to Reason and back again.


    Reason doesn't do midi out btw.  But yes Rewire supposed to work that way.

    I've been told I've been banging on about it too much already so all I can say at this point is that I feel your pain.

    What may help and again it is only a workaround, is using a virtual midi port as I indicated earlier.

    This one is the bomb.  And better than any of the commercial ones.

    http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/loopMIDI.html

    I'm not saying it will fix the problem with looping composition as I gave up trying to do that in Sonar but it will give you a lot of flexibility drum programming via a drum map through the port you set up.

    Just setup a generic keyboard in Reason using the newly created port you set up as the input and set Sonar to use the port as an output.

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    Re:I am having issues with Sonar X1 Studio and Reason while in Rewire please help 2012/03/13 14:57:33 (permalink)
    ill try that. I really hope they do add midi out to Reason but I doubt it will happen.


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