I am so new that you guys will hate me.

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2010/07/17 15:04:37 (permalink)

I am so new that you guys will hate me.

Hello, I just ordered Sonar 8.5 and the same day I received (Home Recording for Dummies; PC Recording for Dummies, and Guerrilla Home Recording). There wasn't anything in either books concerning 'required' external hardware. I have a Yamaha Clavinova with MIDI outputs and I don't understand how these signals can be plugged into my PC (Windows 7). Is there a junction box that takes MIDI and/or Mic'd acoustic guitars, vocals and converts it and plugs into my computer? Is there a specific piece of hardware that is required for that translation? Will I need to add any new inputs on my PC such as MIDI-in or extra USB, or dedicated jacks?

If there is that requirement, please recommend any required hardware. I went to the Cakewalk YouTube collection and saw many other pieces of hardware on his work table (in YouTube search type: "Artist Impression: Jon Lee on SONAR 8.5").

I'm thick-skinned so don't worry that you might be talking down to me - because I am an admitted novice who hasn't even loaded the software. By this time you are probably laughing at me but actually you are laughing 'with' me because I've seen these types of threads on military aircraft and weapons forums. Initially I assumed that the members had a basic understanding of air-to-air or air-to-surface weapons.

My email address is gary@garypenton.com if you have any attachments that might help me out.

Thank you for your time and consideration.
Gary Penton
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    Guitarhacker
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 15:13:29 (permalink)
    Yup..... what you probably want to start with is a decent interface...also called an external sound card.

    Most connect to a laptop or a desk top by USB2 or Firewire. You would want to get one that has both MIDI and Audio inputs.  You will need to determine how many simultaneous inputs you will need.

    A small interface that lets you input stereo audio and one midi channel is probably what most users have....unless you are running a studio or recording an entire band live.

    Look up user Beagle...visit his web site or visit a local music store that has a Pro Audio department, and talk to the sales folk about interfaces.

    Expect to spend up to about $300 for a really nice interface. Just keep in mind that the interface is the heart of the studio so get one that will do the job.

    have fun Gary. Music Creator is also a good forum to ask questions in since most there actually use Sonar.

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    CJaysMusic
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 15:20:10 (permalink)
    Here is a list of good interfaces that I recommend
    http://www.audio-mastering-mixing.com/FAQ___Q_A.html#33

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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 15:43:29 (permalink)
    Check out this site: http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm

    Scott

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    chilldanny
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 15:44:58 (permalink)
    Hiya Gary and welcome to the forum.

    CJay's link above is pretty much all you need to know, pick one of those and
    you can't go wrong.

    From experience I'd happily recomend two budget priced units from M-Audio

    1. Fast Track http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrack.html
    2. Fast Track Pro http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro.html

    As ever make sure that whatever you choose has enough inputs and outputs
    for your needs.

    Good luck =)

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    garypenton
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 16:26:48 (permalink)
    thank you all for so much great information - it's all becoming a bit more clear.

    I just created this web-page on my site that shows three photos of the front and back of my PC. Some of the inputs on the front are alien to me.

    http://garypenton.com/cakewalk.html

    If you have the time, please look at the 3 photos and tell me if any of these inputs will help me in any way.

    Thanks again for the fast responses; it means a lot!

    Gary Penton
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 18:19:02 (permalink)
    Hi Gary.

    For recording with Sonar it's either audio or MIDI, or both combined.

    They are different in that audio is analog, while MIDI is digital or data.

    MIDI into a PC can be two ways: One via USB and the other via a MIDI port.

    If your Clavinova has USB out you can use a USB cable into a USB port of your PC..Your PC has 4 USB ports.

    If your Clavinova only has MIDI out/in classic round connection input/output ports, you can use a MIDI-to-USB adapter. Connect the Clavinova to the adapter and then the adapter to a USB port in your PC.

    As has been mentioned, also, you can get an audio interface external unit that connects to the USB of your PC, and if that interface has MIDI round ports, then you connect the Clavinova there.

    You can also buy a Sound card that has MIDI in/out ports. Those sound cards mount in a slot of the motherboard and its outputs/inputs would have the ports, or maybe some cable harness that comes with it for those purposes.

    Ritht now your pc has a built-in sound card that has limited use in music production, although within its limitations you can do some basic recording.

    To connect microphones, you need the sound interface with microphone input(s) (XLR type), or an external Mixer, or a Microphone preamplifier.

    PC type microphone, or USB microphones for pcs are not adequate for audio/music recording.

    Songs I've produced with Sonar LE: http://www.soundclick.com...ult.cfm?bandID=1086857
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 18:25:15 (permalink)
    I recommend the UA-25EX interface. Its simple, compact and works great with either a laptop or desktop. http://www.cakewalk.com/products/hardware/default.aspx?Prod=UA-25EX

    If you don't need too many inputs and outputs that's your best bet with SONAR.

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    Crg
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 19:23:20 (permalink)
    What's your budget Gary? Thinking of an interface as a junction box is interesting. But you really want to think of it as a converter. Something that changes one signal-impulse of an electronic nature to another signal-impulse which your computer will accept. By the time you figure this all out you'll have gone from magnets to digital, from ions to numbers, take your time.

    Craig DuBuc
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    skitracks
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/17 22:10:28 (permalink)
    Hi  Cjay-

    Do you have an opinion on the Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56?  I noticed it was not included on your list of Focusrite interfaces. I was wondering if there was a reason for that.



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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/18 03:38:59 (permalink)
    skitracks

    Do you have an opinion on the Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56?

    Probably wasn't mentioned because that's usually overkill for someone starting out and it's reasonably pricey on top of your other expenses. There's nothing wrong with it if you need all it has and have the money.
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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/18 08:49:31 (permalink)
    Looks like you have USB ports so pick a USB interface... not a firewire.

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    Re:I am so new that you guys will hate me. 2010/07/25 14:24:22 (permalink)
    From original member post:

    Thank you all, I bought Fast Track Ultra USB 2.0"
    and I hope that will allow me to route 1/4" guitar cable to PC... also midi and mic to PC (with phantom power.

    I hope I will get as many replies if I screw up the routing and whine for more help. I am very excited to to what you all are already doing.

    Gary Penton
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