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I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987.

 
After giving this matter very little thought, and having conducting no research whatsoever, I have come to the decision that Political Correctness first manifested itself on September 28th 1987.
 
Discuss.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 18:52:55 (permalink)
Seems reasonable.

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 19:15:00 (permalink)
That's right! That was the exact day when I got told off for saying someone had 'w**ged' my tape measure.

 
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 19:17:37 (permalink)
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That's right! That was the exact day when I got told off for saying someone had 'w**ged' my tape measure.



And you called them a d*mn w**ger?

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 19:20:14 (permalink)
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That's right! That was the exact day when I got told off for saying someone had 'w**ged' my tape measure.



And you called them a d*mn w**ger?


 
I probably said they were a s*****c.

 
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 19:37:56 (permalink)
My question is when did the culture of calling everyday politeness 'political correctness' start?

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 20:02:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2018/01/13 20:21:18
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My question is when did the culture of calling everyday politeness 'political correctness' start?


 
Not sure, I believe it started as a description of sticking rigidly to an ideology, and then later became adopted to mean 'not offensive to anyone who might be offended'

 
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 20:15:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2018/01/13 20:21:13
As far as I know the term (or the idea behind it) has Marxist roots going back to the Soviets. It's basically a tool used by people with no arguments to sabotage debates they know they can't win. Why bother having to defend your ideology with reason when you can simply declare that it's the only "correct" way of thinking and that everything else is "incorrect"?
 
It's less about a desire to be polite as it is about a desire to dictate what is or isn't polite with no possibility of debate. 

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 20:23:57 (permalink)
The term politically correct came into use in the aftermath of the Russian revolution, when it meant exactly that. If you were ad odds with the Communist Party view of whatever policy, then you were subject to sometimes very severe consequences. As such one did not have to be very far to the right to find it a useful criticism, but as its popularity as a slur has increased in recent years it is being applied to positions that were not previously considered political at all, and to indicate differences from the user's position that are not imposed by law or any particular political position. If someone does not agree with my position on pretty much anything, I am likely to be accused of forcing him to take my position or stifle his expression of his own as a matter of political correctness, even though I have no power to sentence him to the Gulag.
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 20:54:35 (permalink)
Nothing wrong with not being unnecessarily offensive/insensitive/tone deaf. I've purged words and faulty/hurtful ideas over the years after either learning their true roots/meanings/intent/end game. If I can avoid making someone feel like crap or uncomfortable simply by avoiding certain words I will (within reason... eg: arseholes may not apply).
 
I've never liked the term PC and it was never used amongst any of the libby lib "SJW"s I've been surrounded by most of my life. I pretty much only ever see it used as a cudgel against pretty solid arguments for general compassion and empathy for your fellow human.
 
It's also kind of infuriatingly hilarious that the people who walk around whacking others over the head with that term as a pejorative generally flip the hell out over the tiniest little slight (imagined or otherwise) against their own delicate sensibilities.
 
It's really quite simple.
 
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 21:04:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2018/01/13 21:07:25
I'm guessing this isn't quite the way this thread was intended to go 

 
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 23:19:58 (permalink)
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I'm guessing this isn't quite the way this thread was intended to go 






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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/13 23:19:59 (permalink)
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 00:43:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2018/01/14 04:29:02
The date is spot on as I remember having to change my name from Guy Chapman to Person Personperson.
 
I eventually decided on Jonbouy after thinking that Personmalechild wasn't snappy enough for a nickname.
 
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 01:12:50 (permalink)
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As far as I know the term (or the idea behind it) has Marxist roots going back to the Soviets. It's basically a tool used by people with no arguments to sabotage debates they know they can't win. Why bother having to defend your ideology with reason when you can simply declare that it's the only "correct" way of thinking and that everything else is "incorrect"?
 
It's less about a desire to be polite as it is about a desire to dictate what is or isn't polite with no possibility of debate. 


Your right on the Marx

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 02:02:09 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby SteveStrummerUK 2018/01/14 04:29:07
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Nothing wrong with not being unnecessarily offensive/insensitive/tone deaf. I've purged words and faulty/hurtful ideas over the years after either learning their true roots/meanings/intent/end game. If I can avoid making someone feel like crap or uncomfortable simply by avoiding certain words I will (within reason... eg: arseholes may not apply).
 
I've never liked the term PC and it was never used amongst any of the libby lib "SJW"s I've been surrounded by most of my life. I pretty much only ever see it used as a cudgel against pretty solid arguments for general compassion and empathy for your fellow human.
 
It's also kind of infuriatingly hilarious that the people who walk around whacking others over the head with that term as a pejorative generally flip the hell out over the tiniest little slight (imagined or otherwise) against their own delicate sensibilities.
 
It's really quite simple.
 
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It's not quite that simple really though is it. I'm sure nobody objects to the idea of refraining from the use of derogatory names and epithets to describe people. If only it had stopped there. The trouble is that it's created this culture in which anyone can claim they are offended by anything, regardless of how ridiculous the claim is. You don't even have to give a good reason - simply by virtue of the fact that you're offended, everyone has to tread on eggshells around you and woe betide anyone who forgets what the "correct" term for something is. 
 
The result is a generation of kids who seem to have nervous breakdowns if someone so much as looks at them wonky. And then you have terms like "safe space" being bandied about universities and colleges. You only have to observe some of the discussions which go on on sites like Buzzfeed or Jezobel to see just how far down the rabbit hole of utter derangement some of these kids have gone. 
 
A great example of this is the concept of "cultural appropriation." You have kids foaming at the mouth over the idea of a white woman wearing her hair in braids, or a white man sporting dreadlocks. I have an old friend with dreads and I've seen him get into discussions online with people who think that his hair style has been "stolen" from black people, despite the fact that dreads have been worn by people of cultures all over the world for centuries. You should see how deranged some of these kids are. They're calling him a racist, a thief, threatening him and generally displaying just how off the rails this whole culture has become. 
 
Another example: I recently got into one of these discussions on Buzzfeed. The subject was a story which broke a few weeks ago in which a female presenter discovered she was only being paid half of what her male co-presenter was getting. Naturally the whole thing was touted as an example of rampant sexism. I simply pointed out that these salaries are negotiated by the star's agent, and that these kinds of negotiations can swing wildly one way or another depending on a whole host of factors - how aggressive the agent is, how aggressive the star is about wanting a pay rise, what kind of bargaining chips they're bringing to the table etc. Maybe it was common knowledge that the male star had been getting offers from other networks, that sort of thing. My whole point is that while it might be sexism, there are factors which suggest that judgment should be deferred until everything's out in the open. Oh boy. I was torn apart by the social justice warrior crowd, calling me a sexist pig, an "enabler" who was obviously trying to "man-splain" how TV salaries work to women I obviously thought were inferior to me. Basically, regardless of the line of reasoning I used (which seems pretty reasonable), I was voicing the "incorrect" opinion and thus I had to pay. 
 
The net result of this kind of insanity is not a more harmonious society, as proponents of political correctness (or whatever you want to call it) will have us believe. No, it's turned society into a collection of warring tribes who resent each other. It's creating more conflict, not less, and much of that conflict is firmly rooted in the Twilight Zone in terms of how rational it is. It's created a situation in which everyone wants to promote themselves as a victim because of the political currency to be gained from victimhood. Frankly there are way more important things the human race should be concerning themselves with. 
 
 

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 02:12:41 (permalink)
I hate to say it, sharke (and you knoes I lurvs ya) but you spend entirely too much time letting the intertubes get you in a twist. The meatworld, although still entirely ridiculous, is significantly less ridiculous/shrill/hypersensitive than internet people (and the various bots that play internet people on TV).
 
Just sayin'.
 
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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 07:12:04 (permalink)
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I hate to say it, sharke (and you knoes I lurvs ya) but you spend entirely too much time letting the intertubes get you in a twist. The meatworld, although still entirely ridiculous, is significantly less ridiculous/shrill/hypersensitive than internet people (and the various bots that play internet people on TV).
 
Just sayin'.
 
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Hmm well, I see exactly the same kinds of mindset in the big old outdoors as well. Mind you I live in the East Village  

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 14:23:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2018/01/14 17:05:59

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 17:06:25 (permalink)
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That does quite offend me 

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 18:13:29 (permalink)
Politeness is authoritarian.  Why is everyone so concerned how OTHERS behave?  MYOB!

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/14 18:14:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2018/01/14 18:24:56
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That does quite offend me 


 


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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/18 13:25:25 (permalink)
Strummy - in the interests of both Diversity and Inclusion, I fear you're discriminating against many other available dates.  March in particular finds itself relegated to the opposite side of the calendar and hence marginalised, as do the integers 3,4,5,6 and 0.  

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/18 13:52:13 (permalink)
After studying this in great detail and relying on the extensive research done on this subject matter, I can confidently state that April 1st (of any year) is the most used day for Political Correctness.   

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/18 14:06:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2018/01/18 20:16:25
Seems to be a tool for people who take themselves and their little opinions way too seriously.  
 
The transmitter doesn't know the hearts and minds of the 7 billion potential receivers in order to avoid offensive intelligence, while receivers are quite intimately experts and what uniquely offends themselves, so it only seems obvious the receivers should do the filtering. 
 
Being offended doesn't actually do anything anyway. Nothing happens. No one dies, gravity still works and Nickleback still makes sh*tty music. 

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/18 15:37:52 (permalink)
Voda La Void... and Nickleback still makes sh*tty music. 




Somebody, somewhere, is offended by that.  But not me, I think it was brilliant.

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Re: I believe that the culture of "Political Correctness" began on September 28th 1987. 2018/01/18 15:47:16 (permalink)
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Voda La Void... and Nickleback still makes sh*tty music. 




Somebody, somewhere, is offended by that.  But not me, I think it was brilliant.


 
I don't even think Nickelback would be offended by that any more.

 
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