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2016/04/29 23:28:53 (permalink)

I can't say that I disagree...

Granted, the passing of an artist you love can be quite a shock, but after over a week of seeing my newsfeed flooded, I too, think that "we need some emotional incontinence pants". 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/our-public-grieving-over-dead-celebrities-has-reached-insufferab/
 
I'm not talking about contributing to a thread like the ones we find around here, but people who go on and on day after day, making a spectacle of their so-called loss. 
 
I'm starting to believe that the world has become so desensitized that dying is the only way an artist can really get through to some. Who cares for a new album or new art, right? But death, now, that's something we can work with.
 
I honestly feel like a lot of people are eagerly waiting for the next celebrity to die to put on their show and be able to take a shot at the oscar for best dramatic performance.
 
I can't imagine how those people feel when they actually lose someone near and dear...

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/29 23:44:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/04/30 03:44:07
Rain.  As a semi-old codger what disturbs me most about the information age is a complete lack of historicity.  History is one of the few things in our world whereby we channel sublimity. And without that awe of the March of time and evolution we're completely lost. There's much more to Beethoven's music than how it hits our ears,  it is anchored in tradition.  Even the rockers of the seventies and 80s had there roots firmly planted in the blues tradition.
 
Now everything seems either truth-ish or false-ish.  What a burden for the young UN's.
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 00:12:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/05/01 15:23:18
I really, really, really liked quite a bit of what Prince did and even acknowledge his contributions and paradigm shifts to popular music in the 80s and beyond. But, geeze Louise, give me a break with all the media hype and wailing and gnashing of teeth at his passing. I'm sorry he's gone too. But this over the top public flaggelation is a bit much to take.

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 00:55:53 (permalink)
Sorry, I wasn't paying attention, did a prince die?  From what country?  

 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 03:50:32 (permalink)
''If I had to pinpoint the beginning of the age of modern, recreational grieving it would be Princess Diana.''
 
Exactly. That was the turning point for me, where we seemed to lose all sense of dignity and proportion.
 
Comedian Stewart Lee put it like this;
 
''They say, it's what Princess Diana would have wanted..no, it isn't, what she would have wanted is to have not been killed, and then in death, not to have become the unwitting receptacle for the hysterical, over-emotional shrieking grief of ****s''

 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 10:31:28 (permalink)
heh heh Jaymes quote "****s".
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 11:41:38 (permalink)
The internet has made all this foolishness possible. Thank you internet.

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 11:49:55 (permalink)
Mass grief is like a pandemic yawn. It presses down on the populace like a giant poultice. I'll never forget the sight of grown men crying at Princess Di's funeral. Left to their own devices, without the influence of those around them, they probably would have thought "Cor, Lady Di dead? Well I never, that's a turn up for the books," and forgotten about it. Instead they're pounded with the manufactured grief of the media, which causes some people to believe they should be grieving too, and then the sight of those people grieving upsets even more people, and before you know it people are afraid not to grieve in case it makes them look heartless and everyone's sucked into the monumental gravity of the moment. Before you know it people are talking about what the dead celebrity "meant to them over the years," and other people, who might not have been much of a fan, start thinking about what they meant to them as well, and they're digging deep for anecdotes too. "Raspberry Beret got me through the death of my cat in 1985." Hmm, did it now.  

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 12:06:40 (permalink)
What I've found particularly mawkish and somewhat macabre over the last couple of decades is the pile of soft toys, cards, flowers and scribbled notes that appear almost instantly at the scene of any tragic accident or murder.
 
What, and who is that for? Why would anyone want to commemorate the place where a death happened? I don't get it.

 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 12:46:27 (permalink)
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What I've found particularly mawkish and somewhat macabre over the last couple of decades is the pile of soft toys, cards, flowers and scribbled notes that appear almost instantly at the scene of any tragic accident or murder.
 
What, and who is that for? Why would anyone want to commemorate the place where a death happened? I don't get it.




I hate to be a cynic (actually that's a lie, I love to be a cynic) but I think in many cases people trot along with those soft toys and flowers because they like to be seen laying them down in tribute. 

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 13:01:55 (permalink)
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What I've found particularly mawkish and somewhat macabre over the last couple of decades is the pile of soft toys, cards, flowers and scribbled notes that appear almost instantly at the scene of any tragic accident or murder.
 
What, and who is that for? Why would anyone want to commemorate the place where a death happened? I don't get it.




I hate to be a cynic (actually that's a lie, I love to be a cynic) but I think in many cases people trot along with those soft toys and flowers because they like to be seen laying them down in tribute. 




I think you're right.

 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 13:32:01 (permalink)
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''If I had to pinpoint the beginning of the age of modern, recreational grieving it would be Princess Diana.''
 
Exactly. That was the turning point for me, where we seemed to lose all sense of dignity and proportion.
 



I agree, and that slimy insincere crocodile-teared Tony Blair started it all.

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 15:23:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/04/30 16:49:53
I'm still pretty bummed about losing George Carlin. But given a choice, I'd rather have my wife, my sister, my Mom or my Dad back. Or even all the dogs I've lost. Or my '64 Rickenbacker 12-string.


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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 16:07:49 (permalink)
And what's up with all the people today getting overly upset and all about the weird behavior of people they don't know but saw on TV doing something weird? 

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 17:18:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/04/30 17:36:12
The internet has provided the illusion that we are all connected. We are not. I won't shed a tear for a person I never knew and interacted with. Why would I? It's particularly bad when there's an outcry for a celeb that died from something like cancer. Imagine those that have lost their loved ones to this disease. They didn't get any mass sympathy, they had to struggle through with what friends and family they had. Just because you're rich and famous doesn't mean your life is more valuable than the next person. There's no shortage of singers, actor and artists.

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 18:33:33 (permalink)
Personally, I do get why some feel the need to commemorate the passing of someone whose work touched their life. In such cases, it seems appropriate maybe to share a little text or something. And move on.
 
Beyond that, I fail to see the point. People have been lamenting the loss of Prince for 9 days straight now, changing their profile pictures on Facebook and sharing videos and performances, etc.
 
How could such an outpour of admiration and love be so sudden. Where were those people who are now calling him "The Mozart of our century" 2 weeks ago, where was that passion, where were the tribute bands?
 
Last time I heard of Prince was when he smashed someone else's guitar on a late night TV show, 2 or 3 years ago. And it was actually posted by Epiphone. I don't remember anyone but one of my contacts mentioning Prince, ever. But now it's like they've all lost their best friend.
 
 

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 20:23:48 (permalink)
The Daily Mail had something like 20 Prince articles on the front page of its website the other day. They had fewer articles after the terrorist attacks in Paris. 

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/04/30 20:59:07 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Rain 2016/04/30 21:30:24
I bet these same people would cry more if their internet or cell phone died.

 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/01 11:02:30 (permalink)
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Mass grief is like a pandemic yawn. It presses down on the populace like a giant poultice.
...

 
And it was one of the greatest tricks of the socialist/fascist states, to ensure that you knew ... what you were supposed to revere and appreciate!
 
This is the main reason why a top ten anything, is not on my agenda ... but it's hard when one is around so many people where half the things they like are top ten oriented and sounding! 
 
Gives the word "art" a different name ... commercial prairie patties!

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/01 15:19:28 (permalink)
Driving through Atlanta last week I noticed someone had put a HUGE banner of Prince (RIP etc) on an old, tall smokestack that stands sort of across I75 from Grady Hospital, then just down the road (I75) IIRC, just south of Turner Field there was a billboard with Prince RIP on it (again IIRC) I think it was one of those expensive electronic LED billboards. IDK, but I thought it was a bit much.
He was really talented but we all die.

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/01 17:02:32 (permalink)
turn off your mind
 
relax
 
and float downstream
 
said John Lennon as he quoted the Tibetan Book of the Dead
 
 
Then he died
 
people cried
 
and life went on
 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/01 17:10:43 (permalink)
Why do knee's have faces?
 
Better to knee you with!
 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/02 08:39:37 (permalink)
I'm not sure i entirely agree with this, although emotional incontinence pants would still be a good idea.
 
When Bowie died, it hit me almost as hard as my mother's passing.  While I didn't know him personally, his music and artistic attitudes influenced me tremendously.  Music seems to be my only emotional outlet, and without it I'd probably have died long ago.  So in a way, he helped to save my life.
It was the only death of a public figure that ever affected me, and until that happened I'd have sided with you 100% on this.  But art seems to transcend physical boundaries and become incredibly intimate.  I'm discovering that I have no insight into how others are affected by art and artists.
 
As for Prince though, it's interesting that YouTube is now flooded with his music when he fought hard against it for years and threatened to sue anyone who posted his stuff without permission.  People are paying tribute by doing exactly what he didn't want...

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/02 13:37:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2016/05/02 14:19:01
 
 
Music should move you.
 
Music should give you goosebumps.
 
A passionate performance should be something that affects you.
 
But I certainly don't feel any 'personal' grief when the performer or the creator of such wonderful music - someone I've never even met in person - dies.
 
I just don't understand the mindset.

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/02 13:50:53 (permalink)
Entwhistle died, I was pissed.  It was the day before a Who concert that I had tickets to.
 
Jerome Frose died, I was bummed.  No more new Tangerine Dream.
 
John Lennon died, I was in anguish.  I mean, Yoko was standing RIGHT THERE and didn't get hit!
 
[Insert bulk of current celebrity deaths here], I'm taken aback.  Whoa, they're about MY age!!!

 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/02 20:25:12 (permalink)
My first "encounter" with death was when Elvis died, when I was 5. It was the first time I was confronted with the idea that even the people I knew would eventually die. (As strange as it may sound coming from someone who practically grew up in a cemetery.)
 
That and Lennon's death 3 years later are some of the most vivid memories of my childhood. 
 
Of course, there were others afterwards. Waking up to the news of Cobain's alleged suicide left me in a daze for a few days. And just recently, Bowie, who was arguably my favorite living pop artist, was also a huge shock.
 
So, as I said, I totally get the idea of wanting to mark the occasion, to gather one's thoughts and reflect on the influence that an inspiring artist has had on their lives.
 
As a matter of fact, I am constantly tipping my hat to people who inspire me, acknowledging influences, reflecting on how much their work is a crucial part of my own development as a musician, and sometime even as a human being. Though I don't wait for them to pass away.
 
That being said, I can't really wrap my head around the need to worship other human beings. I really think that some people lack a sense of nuance and emotional maturity.
 
Which is why I can't help but fee as though a lot of the lamenting is only a tribune for people to call attention to themselves. 

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/02 20:39:49 (permalink)
Likewise, something that's circulating on social networks for the last few months and pops up every few days...
 

 
In a world where ignorance, lack of talent and underachievement run supreme, I guess it makes sense that honorary diplomas and mechanically banging on a piano would elicit such praises...
 


Some people need to put down the iPhone for a bit and visit the DaVinci exposition or read about Schubert and the likes.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/02 21:33:50 (permalink)
*Pfft...* I bet I could kick Bruce's butt at darts. 

 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/02 22:56:42 (permalink)
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Jerome Frose died, I was bummed.  No more new Tangerine Dream.
 
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I think you meant Edgar ... but no more new TD is probably right, and when Peter Baumann left it showed that what was left could not explore/experiment with the "sounds" themselves, and the new samples are typical commercial stuff ... nice intro and then back to a format for a song!
 
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Re: I can't say that I disagree... 2016/05/03 00:24:22 (permalink)
Ya, that Frose.

 
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