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I couldn't resist...
I mentioned that album a few times before but it was actually pretty much around this time of the year 30 years ago that bought my first album, a record which completely change my life. It's also the album I've bought the most copies of, in every format - vinyl, tape, cd, mp3 - including many copies in the same format for a few of these, as well as the various remastered versions... Well, make that + 1. I grabbed this one at Wal Mart this pm. I did not own a proper copy of this most recent remaster, only the iTunes version, because it came out while we were on the road. An the iTunes version didn't have the bonus live CD. I just cannot wait to hear this one! This reminds me of the day Tribute came out in 1987 - probably one of the best days in the entire decade if you'd asked the die hard Randy Rhoads fan I was.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/27 21:45:29
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The fan I WAS??? Blasphemy!!! I remember that day too. I was a little disappointed though. I already had that concert on tape from years before when I taped the King Biscuit Flower Hour on the radio. They would broadcast a concert every Saturday night. Good old days... :)
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/27 23:19:48
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You're right obviously - Rhoads still is my favorite guitar player on a guts level (Jimmy Page being my favorite musician, and Jimi, being, uh, Jimi). He's like a technically brilliant Mick Ronson (and they looked strikingly similar, too). That wailing guitar in the first solo in Over the Mountain - that's what made me pick up the electric guitar and to this day I feel exactly the same when I hear it. I like EVH and Malmsteen and Vai and all those amazing guitar players, but I feel that Rhoads has that very emotional thing that's closer to guys like Gilmour or Ronson who can tear you apart w/ a single note. Anyway, that's how it works for me. And having never heard that concert, I'm quite sure I'll enjoy it. I'm just keeping it for when I can really listen to it, loud enough and not while doing something else.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/28 00:55:35
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Well, if you've heard Tribute, you've heard that concert. Of course there was quite a bit of editing done on Tribute, but it's the same show that I taped on the radio years before Tribute came out.
I'm with you on Page. The guy's a genius. I especially love his acoustic fingerstyle work. And Hendrix, he was a different kind of genius.
Like you, Rhoads was the one that inspired me to start playing. Got my first electric for Christmas in 1982. :)
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/28 01:07:00
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Oh, I misunderstood that you meant same as Tribute. Darn! :( Oh well, on a positive note, the Legacy edition packaging is awesome, and cd resolution was a must. Since my wife insisted, I also grabbed Blizzard of Ozz (same as Diary, I only had the iTunes version of the recent remaster with the additional material) and Band of Gypsys by Hendrix, another one of my all-time classics. Next time Ozzy gets another platinum record for either Diary or Blizzard, I'll be expecting a personal thank you note. :P
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/28 01:56:53
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I'm a big Band Of Gypsys fan as well. Machine Gun is just on another level. Jimi was beyond brilliant on that album, but it definitely would not have been as soulful without Billy and Buddy. I had the Isle of Wight concert on video which had Billy and Mitch playing with Jimi. And the beginning of Machine Gun just didn't sound right because Mitch didn't play it straight forward like Buddy did. He tried to do his trademark rolls, and it just didn't sound like a machine gun anymore.
Did I get off topic??? :)
Back to Blizzard and Diary...
Now I've read in the past that on the remasters, Ozzy had different players re-record Bob Daisley's and Lee Kerslake's parts so he didn't have to pay them. Can you tell whether the drums and bass have been redone? If so, that's the ultimate act of greed by Ozzy (or more likely Sharon), and is just plain desp*cable.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/28 02:35:17
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Leadfoot I'm a big Band Of Gypsys fan as well. Machine Gun is just on another level. Jimi was beyond brilliant on that album, but it definitely would not have been as soulful without Billy and Buddy. I had the Isle of Wight concert on video which had Billy and Mitch playing with Jimi. And the beginning of Machine Gun just didn't sound right because Mitch didn't play it straight forward like Buddy did. He tried to do his trademark rolls, and it just didn't sound like a machine gun anymore.
Did I get off topic??? :)
Back to Blizzard and Diary...
Now I've read in the past that on the remasters, Ozzy had different players re-record Bob Daisley's and Lee Kerslake's parts so he didn't have to pay them. Can you tell whether the drums and bass have been redone? If so, that's the ultimate act of greed by Ozzy (or more likely Sharon), and is just plain desp*cable.
Not sure what on and off-topic but you pretty much summed my thoughts about Machine Gun right there. In fact, I always thought Isle of Wight was a pretty tragic show. It's almost like seeing Superman without his superpowers or something - it seems to me that Jimi is struggling and doesn't seem all that happy. Some stuff is great, but not all that magic - compare that to other nights where it felt like he had some sort of telepathic control over feedback and whatnot and everything worked. The way he dropped the guitar and walked away at the end pretty much sums it up. But back on topic, as you say... I did not buy those re-recorded versions, but I've heard them. There are also a few songs included on the Ozzman Cometh. I don't know how they'd sound to someone who's never heard the original records, but to me, they sound like the drummer and, less obviously, the bass player, are playing on top of an existing record - which is the case I guess. They don't gel into it. The Randy Rhoads fan in me will dare say that it does have the advantage of further separating the guitar tracks from the mix, shedding some new light on them. So it can be interesting. But that's it. By the way, I like Bordin and Trujillo - I was a fan of both Faith No More and Suicidal Tendencies back in the days - so it's nothing against them or the way they play. Ozzy claims that he'd had enough of being harassed by Daisley and friends. Daisley's take on it is obviously different, and probably more credible - though I cannot figure out why he kept coming back in the fold and writing for Ozzy album after album until the 90s if he felt he'd been let go for some unfair reasons and wasn't being treated well. Though I guess maybe after all I understand why he came back - because, that's a job, and not many musicians can afford to refuse a big check. But, IMHO, if you accept to sell your songs and the rights to them for a certain amount, you can't complain that you weren't treated fairly and start slinging mud because the album made millions of $. Of course, one could argue that the right thing to do for Ozzy would have been to further compensate and give a bonus, but, that's entirely subjective. At any rate, re-recording the albums wasn't a good idea. But the Osbournes learned their lesson on this one I guess. They can't get away with just about anything.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/28 09:44:47
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I agree on the Isle of Wight show. There's one place where he said to the crowd "if you don't, f-ck ya". It saddened me to hear him treat the crowd like that. Not like all the other footage I've seen and heard at all. And like you said, it pretty much said it all when he dropped the guitar and walked off stage.
Speaking of "said it all", have you found any other copies of the Crowley EP on CD? Just wondering...
You're right about Daisley. I don't understand why he kept going back either.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/28 17:20:18
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Haven't found it yet - though I haven't been actively looking. At least, I had my fix listening to the songs on YouTube (which, as bad as it sounds probably doesn't sound much worst than the old tape player and crappy speakers I used to listen to it on back in the days.)
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/28 17:34:57
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BTW, you probably knew, Daisley recently published a book called For Facts Sake. But the book + shipping cost would amount to over $50. I love rock and roll, but I don't enjoy reading about it quite as much as I enjoy listening to it - not enough to spend that much on a book, anyway... At the end of the day, whether Sharon is the Wicked Witch or not or whether Daisley is the greatest man alive, the only thing I really care about is that those albums are a huge part of my life - and Randy's guitar playing is largely responsible for that, regardless of who played in the band.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/28 19:37:15
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I knew he was working on a book but I didn't know it was out. I wouldn't pay for it either. Although I would like to check it out. I agree that Randy's playing is what I love so much about those albums. And to tell you the truth, as much as I used to love Ozzy's voice, I have trouble listening to him now after all the BS that has come to light. I have to wonder if what Bill Ward said about not being offered equal treatment on the Sabbath reunion is true. Then there's also the fact that Ozzy asked Bill to remove the songs that he sang on from his album "Ward One: Along The Way". What was up with that? "Bombers Can Open Bomb Bays" and "Jack's Land" were the biggest hits on that album.
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2013/11/28 20:45:41
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At first I was bummed they'd left him out because Ward is definitely part of the Sabbath sound. Though I remember at one point someone on this forum saying that Ward seemed unable to keep up with the band on one of their recent reunion tours. So I started thinking that maybe offering him an unacceptable deal was their way of getting rid of him. Then a few months back Ward himself recognized that he wasn't in the greatest shape and just last month or so, he had to be hospitalized. Ozzy basically said that Ward didn't have the stamina to play an entire show, that he was overweight and had had 2 heart attacks and that they didn't want to be responsible for his death. I hadn't heard about the solo album though. Now that's nasty!
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/29 12:33:24
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Rain ... Next time Ozzy gets another platinum record for either Diary or Blizzard, I'll be expecting a personal thank you note. :P ...
BullS****! Just have him right a check for 1 million that you deserve and he doesn't!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/29 15:41:38
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Personally, I don't give a flying fudge whether the Osbournes are greedy or what. All the hate and the bad mouthing is just ugly, man. I see those comments sometimes on various sites where people seem to try to outdo each other at whose going to be the meanest and come up with the most definitive verbal assault on Sharon. So much hate. Anyone who gets off of that stuff is as vile as the greediest bastard on the planet. I can't imagine what they'd do with those millions in their bank account, but I'm quite sure it wouldn't be particularly morally commendable, considering how hateful they are.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/29 18:56:20
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/29 21:55:14
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Rain Rhoads still is my favorite guitar player on a guts level
Then you would really love my friend Randy whom Mr. Rhoads did his best to emulate. Mr. Rhoads used to listen and watch intently while my friend Randy would play. Apparently when my friend Randy and I were playing in Burbank one day Mr. Rhoads and Kelly Garni were there. According to my friend Randy, Kelly went out the next day and bought a Rickenbacker bass because he dug mine and what I was doing with it.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/30 00:32:13
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That's a really cool story Bapu. :) Though I'd venture to say that ultimately what really gets to me in Rhoads playing is quite intangible and not stylistic elements that you can pick from someone. At least, I dont feel it's something I've been able to emulate even if I eventually learned to play lots of those songs - nor were most of the people I've heard playing them. By the way, I'm really happy I did not resist and bought those records - I love the sound of those remasters.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/11/30 00:50:46
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Those first two albums were definitely the pinnacle of Ozzy's solo era. Nothing else comes close in my opinion. There was a chemistry on those albums between those four guys that was just magic. As you said Rain, there was something intangible that affected us on a higher level. The music on those albums evoke a feeling in me that no other music can. I still remember the day I heard Crazy Train when the single was released on the radio. I was 11, and immediately asked my mom to take me to the store to buy the album. I also remember hearing Over the Mountain when it first got released on the radio. Every time I hear anything off those albums, I feel like it's 1981 all over again. :)
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/12/02 02:48:15
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BTW - I'm finally listening to the live record and, though it's basically the same setlist and very similar to the show previously released as Tribute, I'm 110% sure that it's not the same recording/same actual show - regardless of editing. But it also shows that Rhoads seemed to play very consistently from one night to another. Incidentally though, I prefer the sound of this recording - it's much more raw and in your face - and sounds much closer to what I'd expect from a recording made during the Blizzard of Ozz tour, before the gigantic/over the top Diary of a Madman set up. Tribute seemed drowned in reverb and echo, a maybe bit too polished by comparison.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/12/02 17:05:57
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I thought for sure it was the king biscuit show. I don't know. I had a few bootleg shows, and one of them was the exact same show. And yes, I prefer the untouched version as well. Consequently, as a result of our conversation, I listened to the Diary album. On headphones. Probably the first time in a few years. Headphones are definitely the way to go to listen to all the nuances of his playing. It's amazing how fluid he was. I read a Lee Kerslake interview where he said he felt responsible for Randy's death. Randy wanted to leave at the same time Lee and Bob did, but Lee talked him into staying, because he wanted Randy to be successful.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/12/02 17:14:02
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I didn't know about Lee. Interesting. I do most of my music listening (besides the gym playlists) in the studio, either on monitors or using headphones - I love those AKG for that. And I really, really like that remaster of Diary. Heck even on the little Alesis "monitors" in the gym it sounds much better than the previous versions.
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Re: I couldn't resist...
2013/12/02 19:19:41
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2013/12/03 00:05:04
Here's that interview with Lee... http://www.bravewords.com/news/166075I read it again. Very good interview. I guess he didn't come right out and say he felt responsible, but you definitely feel that from the way he talked about how he told Randy he should stay. Check it out.
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